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<i>What does the word "truth" mean to you?</i>

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<i>What it means to you.</i>

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You're asking me about very big concepts.

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<i>- Personally.</i>
- To me?

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I know the truth and many truths.

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the truth is this film.

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Everything outside of this film
is a falsehood.

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Even when they are my own explanations.

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I'm being completely honest with you.

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And this is the first time

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that I tell the truth
with such a degree of honesty.

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<i>The Bush administration appointed this man</i>

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<i>to justify the war against Iraq in 2003.</i>

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{\an8}<i>Under the code name "Curveball"...</i>

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{\an8}<i>This man wrote world history.</i>

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{\an8}<i>He gave the reason for the Iraq war.</i>

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<i>Does it bother you?</i>

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Yes.

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<i>Why?</i>

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Well...

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What you can read about me,

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is fundamentally different

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to the real Rafed.

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To be honest, no-one knows the real Rafed.

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{\an8}MOROCCO, NOVEMBER 1999
40 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

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When I tried to leave,
I tried to find the right location

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to prepare the overthrow
of Saddam Hussein.

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You can't watch your own people
being robbed and murdered

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and remain silent.

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<i>Did you leave Iraq</i>

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<i>intending to tell of your knowledge
about weapons of mass destruction?</i>

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No. I say that directly and honestly.

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<i>Then...</i>

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<i>Then I'm interested in how it came about.</i>

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I told you, step by step.

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Through discussions
with the German secret service.

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It developed step by step.

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Let me explain something,
so you can ask specific questions.

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You pursue an objective.

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The overthrow of Saddam Hussein. OK?

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Then you find a person
with the same objective.

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Do you cooperate with him or not?

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Actually I wanted to go to London.
As the whole Iraqi opposition was there.

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Germany wasn't the land of my dreams.

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POLICE

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{\an8}COLOGNE, DECEMBER 1999
39 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

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You reach a place
where you thinks democracy rules,

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or they have something like human rights.

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But then you are suddenly thrown
into this room.

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I thought, without the regime
I wouldn't be in this situation now.

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{\an8}<i>You are the pride of the Arabs!</i>

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{\an8}<i>Long live Saddam Hussein!</i>

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{\an8}<i>After eleven years we face such traitors.</i>

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{\an8}<i>They tried to infiltrate the party.</i>

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{\an8}<i>Those whose names I mention,
stand up and leave the room.</i>

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In Iraq one was simply
a slave to Saddam Hussein.

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We lived in a time
when we were surrounded by death.

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{\an8}<i>But how should we deal with the traitors?</i>

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{\an8}<i>You know how to deal with it.</i>

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{\an8}<i>With nothing less than the sword.</i>

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He who crosses God's boundaries,
is sentenced to six months.

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But he who crosses Saddam's boundaries,
is sentenced to death.

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POLICE

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On the second day they brought us
to a larger center.

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Of course you say you want asylum.
Of course! What else?

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Do you say, "I'm here for fun"?
Or, "I want to go to England"?

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You say, "I want asylum"!
Which is normal all over the world.

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So, of course I said I wanted
to apply for asylum in Germany.

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We reached the point where he asked me
about my degree.

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I answered, "Chemical engineer."

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He asked me where I'd worked.

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I said, "For MIC, before I left Iraq."

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He wanted to know exactly what MIC meant.

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I answered, "Military Industrial Complex."

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Then he suddenly said, "OK,"
and stopped writing.

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Then he said, "Tomorrow we'll take you
to another location."

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COLOGNE

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CENTRAL RECEPTION CENTER
FOR ASYLUM SEEKERS

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I arrived at a large asylum center.

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With many people
and lots of different nationalities.

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There was a black board
with my name on it.

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And that I should report to room 116.

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Usually a judge asks specific questions
about an asylum application.

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FEDERAL OFFICE
FOR MIGRATION AND REFUGEES

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{\an8}He wanted a document proving I was Iraqi.

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{\an8}PERSONAL DOCUMENTS
SUCH AS A PASSPORT

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I told him I didn't have any papers.

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So he said he would give me a week
to obtain my documents from home.

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I have siblings, serving in the army.
That places them in danger. I won't do it.

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Then he said he wouldn't grant me
asylum in Germany.

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I left the room and presumed that I'd
receive a rejection letter within two days

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and would be deported to another country.

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There's a situation in Germany
where you're left in limbo.

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People find themselves in limbo for years.

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They receive neither an acceptance
or a rejection.

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Between us, I wanted a rejection.

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I didn't want to be stranded here,
I wanted to go to London.

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Two days later, my name was written
on the black board again.

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The building was different, more
heavily guarded than the judge's room,

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where the first interview took place.

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There I met...

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Dr. Nouri and Mr. Triepel.

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Dr. Nouri, an Arab.

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He introduced himself
as the translator for the authorities.

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And Triepel, a German.

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He said he was from the asylum office.

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And he looked after people from Iraq,
with certain academic qualifications.

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He said they'd read my statement,

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but that I couldn't prove I was Iraqi.

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Which is why they wanted me
to take a test.

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He said he wasn't a specialist,
no engineer.

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And that we couldn't take the test here.

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He said something that unsettled me.

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That it's for my own protection
from the others in the asylum center.

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{\an8}NUREMBERG, JANUARY 2000
38 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

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Dr. Nouri asked me if I trusted him.

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He said, "Don't worry.
It's in your best interests."

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CENTRAL OFFICE FOR QUESTIONING

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I didn't know his words were just hot air.

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Actually I was expecting a test.

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But there wasn't any test.

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He said, "First we'll make a CV."

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PRIVATE DOCUMENTS
RAFED AHMED ALWAN

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In 1985/86 I graduated
from Al Kindi junior high

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and studied chemical engineering
at the Technical University.

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In Baghdad.

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He asked me where I'd worked.

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I said,
"At the Military Industrial Complex."

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{\an8}He asked me what that was.

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I answered, "A department
for military development."

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I worked as an engineer
in the petrochemical department.

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I was also assigned tasks for Al Hakam.

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We didn't complete the CV. There were
other projects as well as Al Hakam.

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But he concentrated on Al Hakam.

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"Did you work in Al Hakam?"

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"Sure?" "Yes, absolutely."

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It was located in the desert,

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where you wouldn't expect it.

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If you saw it, you'd think
it was a gigantic project.

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Al Hakam came completely
under the control of the UN inspectors.

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<i>So, during the time
you've worked in Al Hakam,</i>

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<i>what did they produce there?</i>

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You can produce biochemicals.

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Biochemical material,
not biological weapons.

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<i>But with the right proteins...</i>

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I'll explain it to you.

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In a plant like this
you can produce all kinds of things.

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You can produce animal feed,
you can produce for medicine,

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or for the military.

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But if you want to produce
biological weapons,

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you need a different process.

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This means Al Hakam is the first stage
in the production of biological weapons.

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Triepel stopped at this point.

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He was a little uncertain.

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He handed me a receipt
and said I should sign it.

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It is normal in Germany,

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when you ask somebody to come from
the asylum office, to be compensated

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for the time spent.

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But I wasn't convinced.

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I noticed that they seemed
to have an open budget.

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No matter what sum I mentioned,
he wouldn't have said no.

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That is really the truth. Honestly.

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But on the way out I told him
that for me the matter was now closed.

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I talked openly with Triepel and told him
that I would leave Germany.

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I had the feeling
that a whole month was wasted.

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And this person just let the time pass by.

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One thing was clear to me,
I didn't mince my words.

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I said, "Since I've been in Germany,
I haven't wanted to stay here."

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So Triepel tried to portray Germany
as a paradise to me.

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I told him, "If you want to help me,
then get my asylum application rejected."

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{\an8}FÜRTH, FEBRUARY 2000
37 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

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I remember my meeting
was on a Wednesday

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and the following Monday I was relocated.

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Compared to the previous location,
this was a different world.

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Absolutely no comparison, 90% difference.

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You sensed the luxury. Now I had
two rooms, one next to the other.

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From one place, sharing with eight people,
to having two rooms for yourself.

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<i>Briefly, one question.</i>

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<i>Someone from the asylum office
comes and offers you money,</i>

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<i>and relocates you
to a better asylum center.</i>

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<i>- Didn't that seem a bit strange?</i>
- No, no.

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You know...

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our secret service
operates quite differently.

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The Iraqi secret service pick you up,
put you in a cell,

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you tell all you have to tell
and then you're killed.

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I didn't experience that here. Not at all.

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I had one person asking questions.
One person working for the asylum office.

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I asked repeatedly.

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And Dr. Nouri said Triepel
was from the asylum office.

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<i>Would you have continued if you'd known
the secret service was behind this?</i>

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<i>What did you think would happen?</i>

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That depended on the conversation
between me and Dr. Paul.

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{\an8}He was introduced by Mr. Triepel,
as the person who'd check my information

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{\an8}because I didn't have any proof
that I was an engineer.

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He came from another city.

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{\an8}MUNICH

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{\an8}FEDERAL INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

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He didn't want a translator present.

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Not even Triepel was allowed to be there.

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He didn't beat about the bush.

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He didn't claim to be from the asylum
office, like Triepel and the others.

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He was honest with me from the beginning.

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He said he worked
for the UN inspection commission.

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So even the education check
was just a pretext

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to the real issue.

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He said, "Tell me about the incident
at the Al Kheirat complex."

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He said he had been there.

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{\an8}No! He said he'd seen film material of it.

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I was an engineer
on a petrochemical project.

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The Al Hakam management,
administration, the construction plans

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were all housed on the ninth floor.

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The investigative commission came in.

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Suddenly there was very loud shouting.

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Evacuate! Evacuate!
That means hide everything.

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The Iraqi state played
a game of cat and mouse with the UN.

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We had to hide a substantial number
of documents.

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We couldn't hide them all,
so we had to take some with us.

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We placed two metal boxes
in the back of a pick-up

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and took them to my family home.

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And that was that.

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As the stuff was there, I read it.
I read nearly all of it.

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<i>Is the knowledge you gained
from these documents</i>

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<i>the knowledge you later gave
to the secret service?</i>

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Yes, of course.
Certainly that was the basis.

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The basic information. Definitely.

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The meeting ended with him hoping
we could meet again.

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I told him I had one request.

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The first question I asked him
before we started with the arms program:

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"What is the goal?"

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He said, "Overthrowing Saddam Hussein."

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"No matter how?" "No matter how."

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"Even war?" "As a last option."

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That was the first meeting
between me and Dr. Paul.

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I said, "If that is the goal,
then I'm prepared to tell all."

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<i>Did you realize then
it could lead to war?</i>

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00:26:50,399 --> 00:26:53,520
<i>- These statements...</i>
- Yes, by my reckoning,

239
00:26:53,520 --> 00:27:00,360
according to my own reckoning, I know
that there cannot be change without war.

240
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,240
I say that quite openly.

241
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:24,960
This photo is the result
of the war in 2003. Right?

242
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,480
Why don't you take out
photos from the '80s?

243
00:27:33,879 --> 00:27:37,840
There are worse photos
from the '80s than these.

244
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,800
Why don't we look at photos of Halabdscha?

245
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,679
When Saddam Hussein attacked
his own people with chemical weapons.

246
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,000
The problem is...

247
00:28:14,879 --> 00:28:19,080
Consider the issue
without an European mentality.

248
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:24,800
I have a goal. Everyone has a goal.

249
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,840
It may be that my goal is not convincing
for you or a European audience.

250
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,320
But the problem is, come and live
under the same conditions

251
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,120
and under the same regime.

252
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:41,199
By God, you would do everything
to overthrow this regime!

253
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:56,560
Dr. Paul said, "You have two rooms now.

254
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,159
Turn one into a study."

255
00:29:04,679 --> 00:29:09,760
He bought me a complete design set
for geometric designs.

256
00:29:15,399 --> 00:29:17,000
He wanted...

257
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,040
He wanted me to draft something.

258
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,679
He set me really difficult tasks.

259
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:37,520
There were some things I didn't know.

260
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,919
Which, to be honest,
I learned from the books.

261
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,080
It was like my student days.

262
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,199
Dr. Paul, the relationship
that grew and developed

263
00:30:09,199 --> 00:30:11,879
between us

264
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,720
compelled me to submit results.

265
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:28,480
We met on March 13th
and they'd prepared a small party.

266
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,879
Triepel was also present.

267
00:30:35,959 --> 00:30:38,840
He had a letter with him.

268
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,800
He congratulated me and told me
I'd been granted asylum.

269
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,199
{\an8}ASYLUM GRANTED

270
00:30:55,159 --> 00:31:00,679
<i>What influence did the granted asylum
have on your plans to go to England?</i>

271
00:31:00,679 --> 00:31:04,840
It changed everything.
I was an accepted political refugee.

272
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,480
I had found a person who could help
make my dream come true.

273
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,679
So that was the end of London.

274
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,560
Directly after I received my passport,

275
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:34,639
I was to look for a flat to help me
prepare for a normal life in Germany.

276
00:31:39,959 --> 00:31:42,480
Where do you find that?

277
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,080
Living in a university town,
being allowed to continue studying.

278
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,280
You don't pass up such an opportunity.

279
00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:02,959
I visited the flat and they said
it would take some time.

280
00:32:02,959 --> 00:32:06,879
So I moved out of the asylum center
into a hotel.

281
00:32:08,679 --> 00:32:13,639
{\an8}ERLANGEN, MAY 2000
34 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

282
00:32:20,719 --> 00:32:24,560
At the following meeting,
the question came up

283
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,280
about the biological weapons.

284
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,760
<i>Who first used the term
"weapons of mass destruction"?</i>

285
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,760
To me, you mean?

286
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,439
In the world?

287
00:32:59,199 --> 00:33:01,719
The problem was actually...

288
00:33:03,159 --> 00:33:07,879
When I gave him my information,
I noticed he was looking for something.

289
00:33:07,879 --> 00:33:10,480
He was looking for something.

290
00:33:13,199 --> 00:33:16,919
He was convinced
there were chemical weapons in Iraq.

291
00:33:16,919 --> 00:33:20,760
He was convinced
there had been progress in Iraq.

292
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120
I knew what he wanted.

293
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,879
He wanted evidence.

294
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,879
Al Hakam was exposed.

295
00:33:43,719 --> 00:33:47,080
And I sensed
there was something at Al Hakam

296
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,520
that would lead me to a result.

297
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,280
Do you know the game
"You need something and I need something"?

298
00:33:57,439 --> 00:34:00,080
Well, we both needed something specific.

299
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,799
Dr. Paul said,
"If you're responsible for Al Hakam,

300
00:34:11,799 --> 00:34:14,040
and the UN inspectors come

301
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,719
and you want to hide it,
how would you do it?"

302
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:32,759
I transferred the Al Hakam projects
to three trucks.

303
00:34:39,279 --> 00:34:42,159
{\an8}This way you cannot defame anyone.

304
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:47,159
{\an8}For example, one can claim
the trucks are five kilometers away.

305
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,679
{\an8}One drives there, but finds nothing.

306
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,040
{\an8}Then one can say the whole thing
is mobile and is somewhere else.

307
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,960
And he was convinced by this idea.

308
00:35:11,759 --> 00:35:17,080
He knew it was just a figment
of imagination, based on Al Hakam.

309
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,000
But we had the same goal.
I say this in all honesty.

310
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,880
I told him the trucks
were in Djerf al-Nadaf.

311
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,000
At the complex for seed treatment,
where I was the project director.

312
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:48,480
It's an industrial area with many trucks.

313
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,160
Djerf al-Nadaf specializes in
the maintenance and repairing of trucks.

314
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:12,240
In all of Iraq it is the place
with the most trucks.

315
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,880
From above, you'll see a lot of trucks.

316
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,640
<i>Did you also say there had been
a chemical accident there?</i>

317
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,680
- Yes.
<i>- To make the whole thing more believable?</i>

318
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,880
There is an Iraqi saying.

319
00:36:35,799 --> 00:36:39,600
Every biological project has losses.

320
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,480
You are lying
if you say there is a bio project,

321
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,279
but nobody died.
They'd think you were crazy.

322
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:53,759
So it is illogical to claim there is
a biological complex without any victims.

323
00:36:53,759 --> 00:36:55,240
That is not logical.

324
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,880
<i>So you lied to him.</i>

325
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,200
<i>Did you say the trucks existed
or might have existed?</i>

326
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,440
I told them they existed.

327
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,279
I'm not lying to you now.
I told them they existed.

328
00:37:11,279 --> 00:37:14,200
I didn't say they might exist.

329
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,759
I said they existed. You want me
to put all my cards on the table.

330
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,839
The problem started when they confirmed

331
00:37:30,839 --> 00:37:35,720
that the sketches made sense.

332
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,560
I was treated as a danger
and placed under observation.

333
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,000
I didn't notice this observation at first.

334
00:37:54,799 --> 00:37:57,440
Until I saw this Iraqi.

335
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,160
Called Falih.

336
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,440
He was a school friend,
we went to university together.

337
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,839
I knew he was close to the regime.

338
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,560
He was accompanied by two people.

339
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,799
I was shocked, because he was the last
person I expected to see in Germany.

340
00:38:28,799 --> 00:38:32,240
You know Erlangen, it's a student town.

341
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,600
Not like Munich,
where you go as a tourist.

342
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,600
There are coincidences, but this?

343
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:47,200
Even if it was just a coincidence,
I couldn't believe it back then.

344
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,640
The flat wasn't finished.
But I had the keys.

345
00:39:15,759 --> 00:39:21,880
This person appearing showed me something
was going on. But what, I didn't know.

346
00:39:30,799 --> 00:39:33,279
The next morning Triepel called.

347
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,080
He greeted me quite normally
and asked if there was anything new.

348
00:39:47,759 --> 00:39:52,080
Then I had the feeling that he knew.

349
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,040
When someone calls
and asks if anything happened,

350
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,080
then that confirms to me
that I am under observation.

351
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,040
How else could Triepel have known
that I'd met someone?

352
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,880
He said, "You'll be housed
somewhere else for a few days."

353
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,160
He said he was on his way.

354
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,680
Everything had suddenly changed.

355
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,359
In the end I was sure these people
were from the secret service.

356
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,440
I was very afraid.

357
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,440
And I didn't say another word.

358
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,839
<i>What were you afraid of?</i>

359
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,560
Of what? Well, of dying.

360
00:40:59,319 --> 00:41:01,720
Of being killed.

361
00:41:16,279 --> 00:41:19,880
Triepel noticed that I was anxious
and calmed me down.

362
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,120
I needn't be scared.
Everything was under control.

363
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Whatever he said, I obliged.

364
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,400
<i>- Why didn't you resist?</i>
- What do you mean?

365
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,600
<i>- Why did you tolerate everything?</i>
- I didn't know what I should do.

366
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,000
<i>Did anyone tell you
what the blood was for?</i>

367
00:41:58,759 --> 00:42:02,799
They said Dr. Paul wanted
a blood sample from me.

368
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:11,040
For tests, in case I had certain diseases
that I'd brought with me from Iraq.

369
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,480
<i>- In the ambulance?</i>
- Yes, in the ambulance.

370
00:42:16,279 --> 00:42:19,240
You think in the hospital?
No, in the ambulance.

371
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:23,960
{\an8}MUNICH, JUNE 2000
33 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

372
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,120
Triepel completely withdrew from things.

373
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,040
Completely!

374
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,319
I only knew Triepel.

375
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,240
No-one, apart from Triepel.

376
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,640
He told me that his work was done.

377
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,759
I never saw Triepel again.

378
00:43:04,759 --> 00:43:07,120
You feel suffocated.

379
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,640
With five people around you,
that you don't know.

380
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Isolating you from the rest of the world.

381
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,680
They had a method.

382
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,279
One of the group was close to you.

383
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:37,759
So close that you came to appreciate him
and saw him as a good friend.

384
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,640
{\an8}MAX
FEDERAL INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

385
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,480
His name was Maximilian.

386
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,799
A real Bavarian.

387
00:44:05,759 --> 00:44:10,480
So they organized trips through Bavaria,

388
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,000
for example to Chiemsee.

389
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,080
We had a lot of time, you know.

390
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,680
The whole thing was a way of creating
a certain atmosphere around me.

391
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,240
I wasn't allowed to make phone calls.

392
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,759
They said it was for my own safety.

393
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,720
I just wanted one thing,
to go back to Erlangen.

394
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:07,319
They said, "No, forget it.
It's too dangerous. It's forbidden."

395
00:45:19,279 --> 00:45:23,359
I took pictures of every place we visited.

396
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:28,000
As proof that I was there at that time.

397
00:45:46,279 --> 00:45:50,480
Do you know what it means
to work with the secret service?

398
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,279
You're negotiating with a state.

399
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:57,240
Run by rational minds.

400
00:45:59,759 --> 00:46:02,359
This is about power.

401
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,560
Compared to them, I am so small.

402
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,759
You are crushed, finished and lost.

403
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:18,120
{\an8}GRÜNWALD, AGUST 2000
31 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

404
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,240
They brought me to a house,
it was a villa.

405
00:46:28,839 --> 00:46:34,440
They said the villa was for me.
"Live here with your wife when she comes."

406
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,359
I was married by this time.

407
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,400
{\an8}On my way to Germany,
I met her in Morocco and married her.

408
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,640
<i>- Who brought your wife to Germany?</i>
- The German secret service.

409
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:14,319
They obtained a visa for her
and brought her to Grünewald.

410
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,600
My wife knew nothing
about the secret service.

411
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,759
But she had to bear a lot of pressure.

412
00:47:31,759 --> 00:47:34,040
I never lied to her.

413
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,920
Never.

414
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,960
She knew a bit, but precise details...

415
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,520
<i>But why didn't you tell her?
And why don't you see that as a lie?</i>

416
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,480
She had her doubts,
thought something wasn't right.

417
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,720
She was skeptical and asked me,
but I didn't answer her.

418
00:47:53,799 --> 00:47:56,080
I didn't have the heart to tell her.

419
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,359
I was aware that more collaboration
meant greater damage.

420
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,879
I had back problems at the time.

421
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:29,839
I won't claim to be clever.
But I wasn't ill enough to go to hospital.

422
00:48:32,839 --> 00:48:37,680
I needed documents
to prove where I was and when.

423
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:44,680
I knew one day everything would come out.
Nothing stays hidden forever.

424
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,240
DECLARED BIOLOGICAL
WARFARE-RELATED SITES

425
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,000
SUSPECTED MOBILE
BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS FACILITY

426
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:06,759
They had a problem
concerning the region of Djerf al-Nadaf.

427
00:49:06,759 --> 00:49:12,600
From aerial photographs
they saw a change in the complex.

428
00:49:13,759 --> 00:49:16,440
I can you draw it for you.

429
00:49:22,359 --> 00:49:25,879
This is a sketch of the whole complex.

430
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:31,720
I told them that the trucks come
from this direction.

431
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,520
They drive in here and out here.

432
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,480
After I left Iraq,
they built a wall there.

433
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,120
And this was when the game was up.

434
00:50:02,799 --> 00:50:06,359
I told them, "OK, you've found a wall.

435
00:50:06,359 --> 00:50:12,160
And this wall blocks trucks entering.

436
00:50:13,759 --> 00:50:18,920
So you must have known
that something was wrong with the story."

437
00:50:20,879 --> 00:50:24,440
They needed a second source
to verify this.

438
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,640
{\an8}DR. BASIL AL-SAATI
FORMER SUPERVISOR CURVEBALL

439
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,839
{\an8}Dr. Basil Al-Saati was my master,
my role model.

440
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:37,120
He was my highest superior.

441
00:50:39,279 --> 00:50:44,359
The Germans and the Americans
met Basil Al-Saati in Dubai.

442
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,680
I told them they should
believe Basil Al-Saati.

443
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,040
As for me... I'm out!

444
00:51:29,399 --> 00:51:33,399
We agreed we wanted
to do something thoroughly.

445
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:41,000
But when they went to Basil Al-Saati,
they broke our agreement.

446
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:47,720
They changed their minds and placed me
in an embarrassing situation.

447
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:53,759
I said it directly to Dr. Paul's face.

448
00:51:53,759 --> 00:51:56,759
Even in English. "The game is over."

449
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,000
{\an8}SPAIN, SEPTEMBER 2000
30 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

450
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:21,759
Then towards the end of the year
I flew to Spain.

451
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:29,000
<i>What would have happened</i>

452
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,200
<i>if the war had not begun in 2003,</i>

453
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,200
<i>but in September 2000?</i>

454
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,759
I would've been responsible
and taken sole responsibility.

455
00:52:43,759 --> 00:52:47,399
If I give my word, I keep it.

456
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:54,759
Even if it had begun in early 2001,
I still would take full responsibility.

457
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,560
Completely.

458
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:03,000
Even if it had happened in 2003.
Without them meeting Basil Al-Saati.

459
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,240
I should explain something to you,
I am not scared.

460
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:10,520
If I have to face a criminal court
tomorrow, then I would go.

461
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,040
There's nothing for me to be scared of.

462
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,680
<i>How does one take responsibility
for the death of people?</i>

463
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,040
First answer...

464
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,720
Who is responsible for the death
of one million children? Children!

465
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,200
One million children died
during the embargo.

466
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,160
Who is responsible for that?

467
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:46,160
Would it have been better if the embargo
had continued until 2012?

468
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,920
And another million children had died?
<i>- But that is not my question.</i>

469
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,480
I understand your question,
but you should understand one aspect.

470
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Let's take someone other than me.

471
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:04,759
Let us put Rafed to one side.
Who can declare a war?

472
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:12,920
Is it possible, is it really possible,
that Rafed, this Iraqi engineer,

473
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,720
who is nothing
compared to the secret service...

474
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:19,040
If you compare me to a secret service
apparatus, I am nothing.

475
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,359
Is it possible for me
to possess so much wisdom

476
00:54:22,359 --> 00:54:25,040
to deceive the secret services
of the world?

477
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,000
{\an8}ERLANGEN, DECEMBER 2000
26 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

478
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:43,759
Worried for my wife, I left her in Spain
and flew back to Germany alone.

479
00:54:45,279 --> 00:54:48,440
She actually should have come back,

480
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,440
but I begged her to stay
until the situation had stabilized.

481
00:54:58,279 --> 00:55:03,160
Then Max called me a few times,
asking me to return and clarify matters.

482
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,160
But I refused.

483
00:55:13,759 --> 00:55:16,920
I was constantly at odds with him.

484
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,680
I refused every meeting.

485
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:25,960
Then they started to play
with my mental state.

486
00:56:45,759 --> 00:56:52,319
Between October 2000 and May 2002

487
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:56,120
I had no contact.

488
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,520
For me the matter was closed.

489
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,520
Back then I didn't know what to do.

490
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,720
I didn't know about the job center
or the agencies.

491
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:12,080
I had no contact. I knew nothing.

492
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,279
It was as if I'd arrived in Germany
for the first time.

493
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,440
I asked the job center
if I could take a language course.

494
00:57:23,279 --> 00:57:25,440
I worked immediately afterwards.

495
00:57:41,399 --> 00:57:44,839
{\an8}NEW YORK, SEPTEMBER 2001
18 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

496
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,200
That had an effect.

497
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,759
If the September 11 attacks
hadn't happened,

498
00:58:10,759 --> 00:58:13,879
they wouldn't have brought
the files out again.

499
00:58:13,879 --> 00:58:16,520
Things would have been different.

500
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,080
<i>Do you know what happened
with your information?</i>

501
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,759
I'd like to ask you a question.

502
01:00:14,759 --> 01:00:20,640
When Dr. Paul told me
he was one of the inspectors in Iraq,

503
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:26,080
am I so stupid that I don't know
Dr. Paul was involved with the CIA?

504
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:31,440
Of course he cooperated with the CIA.
Dr. Paul is a partner of the CIA.

505
01:00:34,759 --> 01:00:39,680
{\an8}ERLANGEN, MAY 2002
10 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

506
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,759
My wife had only recently
returned to Germany.

507
01:00:50,839 --> 01:00:55,919
I started working with a lawyer,

508
01:00:56,799 --> 01:00:59,839
so matters would be legal.

509
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:03,279
Her second entry was a legal issue.

510
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:13,120
{\an8}IMMIGRATION OF SPOUSE

511
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:19,000
{\an8}WE APPLY FOR A RESIDENCE PERMIT
FOR HIS WIFE

512
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,879
I had big problems
with the secret service.

513
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,000
The whole matter created
unnecessary pressure.

514
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,160
Pressure exerted on me so I would work
with the secret service again.

515
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:39,480
Anyway, I came to the decision
not to continue.

516
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,480
I cannot continue. No way.

517
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,480
Whatever happens, will happen.
I couldn't continue.

518
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,720
Gerd and Thomas seemed military,
that's what it looked like.

519
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:11,520
Hans was a decent person, a scientist.

520
01:02:14,359 --> 01:02:19,600
He said that he knew I was in a difficult
situation because of the upcoming birth.

521
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,240
Then they came with the pretext
that the flat was too small

522
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,960
and they would rent me a bigger one.

523
01:02:35,799 --> 01:02:38,279
I refused.

524
01:02:38,279 --> 01:02:43,399
THE FAMILY REUNION IS REJECTED

525
01:02:43,399 --> 01:02:47,960
CLIENT HEAVILY PREGNANT

526
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,720
Shortly before my wife's visa ran out,

527
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,799
they told me
she was only staying another week.

528
01:02:53,799 --> 01:02:57,080
OBLIGATION TO LEAVE

529
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:02,960
IS OBLIGATED TO LEAVE GERMANY

530
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,560
"Either you agree to work
or we won't approve the application."

531
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,359
So I said, "Then don't approve it."

532
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,160
{\an8}EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT
INSTANT DISMISSAL

533
01:03:17,879 --> 01:03:22,520
INSTANT DISMISSAL

534
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,080
They knew I didn't have any money.

535
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:30,640
I didn't have a penny to my name.
There were many kinds of pressure.

536
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,560
REMINDER

537
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,839
DEBT COLLECTION

538
01:03:41,279 --> 01:03:45,200
They had the power. You have no idea.

539
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:51,480
They are very clever.
Unnaturally clever, you cannot imagine.

540
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,640
One has to expect everything.

541
01:03:57,919 --> 01:04:01,160
{\an8}FOREIGNERS REGISTRATION OFFICE

542
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:06,120
EXTENSION OF PERMIT

543
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:12,439
Do you know what an octopus is?
They have a finger in every pie.

544
01:04:12,439 --> 01:04:17,560
{\an8}AGENCY FOR SOCIAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING
HOUSING ACCOMODATION

545
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,960
{\an8}ACCOMODATION PROPOSAL

546
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,200
THREE-ROOM FLAT

547
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:30,319
{\an8}TENANCY AGREEMENT

548
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:38,799
They came to me, not me to them.

549
01:05:07,919 --> 01:05:10,879
Hans called me again.

550
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,799
About the return of the inspectors.

551
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:28,640
He said they needed information from me
for the UN weapons inspectors.

552
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:37,000
They wanted evidence, documents, maps.

553
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,839
It was about the UN inspections in Iraq,
not the weapons.

554
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:56,759
He asked me for names of scientists
and military facilities.

555
01:05:56,759 --> 01:06:01,399
About which facilities produced what.
Which were dangerous and which were not.

556
01:06:04,399 --> 01:06:07,000
I told him that was no problem.

557
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,799
But I asked him,
"What will be the outcome?"

558
01:06:11,879 --> 01:06:14,960
He told me he didn't expect
Saddam Hussein

559
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,640
to remain in power
for more than a few months.

560
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,799
And that is a dream. That means there
will be freedom and that is a dream.

561
01:06:23,799 --> 01:06:27,120
Which is why I follow this course
and do everything I can.

562
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,000
<i>So once again.
Why exactly did you do it again?</i>

563
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,240
<i>Because you were
so incredibly disappointed</i>

564
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,359
<i>at being lied to, being deceived,</i>

565
01:06:36,359 --> 01:06:39,640
<i>that your aims with Dr. Paul
weren't pursued.</i>

566
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:44,720
<i>And now you return and collaborate again.
And the reason you collaborated again?</i>

567
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:50,839
I'll tell you. I'll pursue anything
that leads to the overthrow of the regime.

568
01:06:50,839 --> 01:06:53,080
I'm being honest with you, I'm not lying.

569
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:58,759
<i>Even if there could be war?
Or would be war. That was clear here.</i>

570
01:06:58,759 --> 01:07:03,279
I said at the start,
"No change without war."

571
01:07:03,279 --> 01:07:08,000
I'm not repeating everything in detail.
Change in Iraq without war would fail.

572
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,000
It won't work.

573
01:07:14,799 --> 01:07:18,919
{\an8}MUNICH, OCTOBER 2002
5 MONTHS BEFORE THE WAR

574
01:07:18,919 --> 01:07:21,240
{\an8}There was a video conference.

575
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,759
{\an8}FEDERAL INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

576
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:36,279
It was held in the house of the head
of the German secret service.

577
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:43,279
The room was split in two.
The Americans were in one half.

578
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,960
They asked a question
to someone in another room.

579
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,960
Then the question was relayed in German
to our room.

580
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:02,240
The interpreter translated the questions
and I answered only in writing.

581
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,240
Not verbally.

582
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,480
They asked me to explain
the construction plans,

583
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,399
the biological laboratories.

584
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:23,720
<i>After you had fled before
and someone said, "No, they don't exist,"</i>

585
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,880
<i>you repeated, "But these trucks exist."</i>

586
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,279
I didn't say that. They said that!

587
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:34,080
I said nothing.
I didn't say they existed.

588
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,880
<i>But you could have said
the trucks don't exist.</i>

589
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,920
Please understand, Matthias.
They asked me and I answered.

590
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,679
They asked me to explain
the plans with the trucks.

591
01:08:44,679 --> 01:08:46,960
Not if they existed or not.

592
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:49,920
And I know why they didn't ask me.

593
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,279
They wanted to break the news
that these things existed.

594
01:08:54,559 --> 01:08:55,639
Okay?

595
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,679
<i>Why didn't you say that they didn't exist?</i>

596
01:09:00,679 --> 01:09:06,120
It all helped to free Iraq.
The situation was different now.

597
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,399
Everything was prepared
for the liberation of Iraq.

598
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:14,200
The war would start. That was definite.

599
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,240
So I had to follow the course.

600
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:24,720
{\an8}ERLANGEN, 5 FEBRUARY 2003
ONE MONTH BEFORE THE WAR

601
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,760
It wasn't part of the plan.

602
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,400
I didn't think that Colin Powell
would go public.

603
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,280
You know what happened then?

604
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,480
Hans called.

605
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:30,760
He told me,
"There is no reason to be scared.

606
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,599
Everything is under control."

607
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,880
Excuse me, but...

608
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,280
all that remained was for him
to name me: Rafed Ahmed.

609
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:41,920
He told everything else.

610
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,880
That wasn't the agreement.

611
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:57,639
I told him, "I'm ready to drop
a bombshell. I'll go to the media."

612
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,920
That really scared him.

613
01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:20,000
I was absolutely determined.
They knew no-one could stop me.

614
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,920
Only by arresting me.

615
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,920
If they arrest me and put me in prison,
they have me under control.

616
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,599
But as long as I'm free,
they cannot control me.

617
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,360
He immediately took me
from Erlangen to a hotel.

618
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,679
They took away the key and told me
they'd given notice on the flat.

619
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,320
In that moment I had no flat.

620
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,760
"Yes. You don't have a flat anymore."

621
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:58,960
{\an8}BAD GÖGGING, MARCH 2003
ONE WEEK BEFORE THE WAR

622
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:10,040
I was in a mental state,
how can I explain it to you?

623
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,519
My first thought was Baghdad.

624
01:12:17,559 --> 01:12:19,840
The family home to be precise.

625
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,920
Especially my brothers and sisters.

626
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:33,920
I imagined a unit arriving,
arresting my family and killing them.

627
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,639
After three days
I had a complete breakdown.

628
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,280
There was this person in the hotel.
If I opened the door, he was there.

629
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:27,559
Perhaps there were even cameras
in the room.

630
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,599
I was isolated.

631
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,240
I'll be completely honest with you.

632
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,160
I tried to escape, but I didn't succeed.

633
01:14:08,639 --> 01:14:10,519
<i>It is now 04:03.</i>

634
01:14:10,519 --> 01:14:15,880
<i>For those of you just tuning in,
the Iraq war has begun.</i>

635
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:22,559
<i>20 minutes ago, the news agency reported
that the first missiles have hit Baghdad.</i>

636
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,800
<i>Do you feel guilty?</i>

637
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,760
- Me?
<i>- Don't you feel any guilt?</i>

638
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,000
No. No.

639
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:20,440
<i>Why not?</i>

640
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,599
In what way, because of the bombings?

641
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,960
<i>Because of your lies, yes.</i>

642
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,800
No. No.

643
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,040
No.

644
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,080
KREITMAYER
FEDERAL INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

645
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:04,080
Hans introduced me to a person.
Michael Kreitmayer.

646
01:16:11,559 --> 01:16:17,559
He told me there was a unit
responsible just for me.

647
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,000
Well, the administrative tasks.

648
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,960
They said they'd pay me
as much as I wanted.

649
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:42,480
They paid the medical insurance
and the flat. In total 3,000 euros.

650
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,960
The billings were paid
through Thiele & Friedrichs.

651
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:54,480
{\an8}FREELANCE COLLEAGUE

652
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:57,480
This company doesn't exist.

653
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:01,320
It belongs to the Intelligence Service,
I know that much.

654
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:07,679
And I received just this
from Kreitmayer's secretary.

655
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:12,840
These are pointers for answering questions
about who I work for.

656
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,639
INNOVATIVE ADVERTISING

657
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:32,400
They said they had to create
a new cover for me.

658
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:46,719
My name was removed from the job office.
Everything was deleted. Everything.

659
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,200
They wanted the name Rafed

660
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,960
or the engineer Rafed
to only exist as a ghost.

661
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,800
Everyone could look for this ghost,
but no-one would find him.

662
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:13,679
Normality had returned.

663
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:21,440
Suddenly the negotiations with Hans
started again.

664
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:24,360
When the US forces
found the trucks in Iraq.

665
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:58,760
I was the first person
to see the pictures.

666
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,679
Hans showed them to me.

667
01:19:12,639 --> 01:19:15,120
I started to laugh.

668
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,480
They were exactly
like my sketches of the trucks.

669
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:22,280
That can't be! No way!

670
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:30,480
I asked him, "Where is the third one?
There are just two trucks."

671
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:32,880
He told me they hadn't found
the third one.

672
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,360
You can't just find two. There are three.

673
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:42,599
Three have to drive back and forth.
That's how the system works.

674
01:19:47,519 --> 01:19:52,920
There were insinuations.
Serious insinuations. I speak openly here.

675
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,840
I could step away
from the whole situation

676
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,840
if I stated that this truck
had been taken to another country.

677
01:20:02,559 --> 01:20:04,920
{\an8}<i>Where should this truck have been taken?</i>

678
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,000
Syria. I'm being completely honest
with you.

679
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:27,559
I refused
to continue participating in this game.

680
01:20:27,559 --> 01:20:30,400
The regime in Syria means nothing to me.

681
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:44,480
If I had cooperated,
I could have lived like a king.

682
01:21:38,679 --> 01:21:43,200
<i>"Curveball" is his name.
He provided the reason for the Iraq war.</i>

683
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,240
They took the blame
of the secret services

684
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:21,960
and placed it on my shoulders.

685
01:22:22,679 --> 01:22:25,400
See for yourself what the press wrote.

686
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,840
As if I was a bad person
who instigated a war.

687
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,200
The mistakes of the Americans,

688
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:37,080
the Germans, the British and all the dead.

689
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:41,360
I had to bear it all.
But that's not fair.

690
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,440
I am a victim,
because my reputation was defamed.

691
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:48,480
Because the real Rafed
was never portrayed.

692
01:22:51,639 --> 01:22:53,960
<i>Why do you see yourself as a victim?</i>

693
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,679
<i>You said it was obvious
there would be war.</i>

694
01:22:56,679 --> 01:23:00,080
<i>And that was also your goal.
Regime change.</i>

695
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,559
<i>And you say that regime change
is only possible through war.</i>

696
01:23:03,559 --> 01:23:05,800
I'll tell you why I'm a victim.

697
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,960
You want to know why I'm a victim?

698
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,719
I'm not a victim because war broke out.

699
01:23:11,719 --> 01:23:14,200
But because of the huge pressure

700
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,639
from the secret services and the media
to destroy my image.

701
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,800
I am the sole loser!

702
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:27,559
If you add everything up,
then I'm the only loser in the operation.

703
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:32,480
I'm the first to make sacrifices
and the last to benefit.

704
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:35,160
I don't want any exploitation. Honestly.

705
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:40,760
<i>Yes, but Mr. Aljanabi,
you participated in the game.</i>

706
01:23:41,639 --> 01:23:43,920
I'm not being interrogated here.

707
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,040
An interrogation, questions and answers,
is different.

708
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:51,240
We have to connect with the truth
to reach an outcome.

709
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,360
<i>True. But I want my question answered.</i>

710
01:23:55,360 --> 01:24:00,599
OK. Ask and I'll answer without boring you
with too many details. OK?

711
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,559
<i>- Gladly.</i>
- No. No. OK.

712
01:24:05,559 --> 01:24:08,280
<i>You say that effectively
you bear no blame.</i>

713
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,639
Ask whatever you want.

714
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,800
Question and answer whatever you like.

715
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:26,360
<i>Who do you see
when you look in the mirror?</i>

716
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,599
I have to say...

717
01:25:35,519 --> 01:25:40,679
The question isn't...
You mean the conscience of the people.

718
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:48,719
Certainly, I'll be quite honest,
one does feel like a hero for a moment.

719
01:25:48,719 --> 01:25:51,519
One feels like a winner.

720
01:25:51,519 --> 01:25:53,960
I say that in all honesty.

721
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,040
Occasionally,

722
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:01,280
when I see the ballot boxes
and the Iraqis voting,

723
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,960
I have the feeling I created something.

724
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:08,400
When I see the victims and the blood...
No.

725
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:13,480
I wish this hadn't been the price.

726
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:17,800
I didn't want this price,
but I'm not a prophet.

727
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,960
<i>When you see the chaos...</i>

728
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,960
<i>When you see the chaos
and your destroyed homeland,</i>

729
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,120
<i>are you not ashamed of your lies
for a moment?</i>

730
01:26:40,559 --> 01:26:42,639
Shall I be honest?

731
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:45,960
Yes. Yes.