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- Hi, I'm Kane Hodder.

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Most people know me from being
a killer in horror movies.

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Official YIFY movies site:
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In fact, I maintain that I have murdered

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more people on film than
any actor in history.

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And if you dispute that, I'll kill you.

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One of the things I've
always been curious about

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is what happens to us when we die.

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What's on the other side?

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Does our spirit or our
energy go elsewhere?

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Are some of us trapped here?

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Why are some locations so haunted

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and other ones you never
hear anything about?

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These are questions that I've been hunting

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for the answers to for 13 years.

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That's what got me
interested in the paranormal

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in the first place, and
that's what brought me here.

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(eerie music)

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- Balsam only has a population of 49.

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The school is now used
as a community center.

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The train depot's long gone.

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The Grand Old Lady is
still here in Balsam.

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It's 112 years old.

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I think she's a giant, stoic structure,

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originally built almost
as a slap in the face.

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I think that as beautiful as it is,

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and as grand as it is,
and as popular as it was,

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I think that, honestly, from
day one of this structure,

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I mean, you've gotta
think this land was taken

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from the Native Americans.

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Rutherford Trace came 200 yards
in front of this building,

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and then not only are we
gonna take your property,

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but we're gonna build this
giant, grand structure

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right in the center of it, you know,

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it's almost like a
direct slap in the face.

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So I think that originally

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it may not have had

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the best energy to begin with.

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This place has several layers of activity.

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It's so tangible that you can
almost literally separate it

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into layers as to what
was on the land before,

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what came from the original structure,

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what's military related,
Native American related,

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guest related, staff
related, the residual,

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just kind of hanging out
railroad type of stuff going on.

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There's a lot of activity here

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and there's a lot of energy flow here,

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it seems like there's not anywhere

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in the building where you aren't passing

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through some sort of energy.

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- Well, I was told from
the beginning when I,

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in the process of purchasing,

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but I kind of thought that
it was a hidden agenda

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that nobody wanted me to be
here and purchase this property.

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However, when I closed the deal
and moved into the property,

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being the skeptic, denied
the presence of them,

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and they introduced
themselves to me very quickly.

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- [Woman] Okay, so if it did
move, it should move again,

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'cause it's moved quite a bit.

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Twice that I've seen.

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- [Amanda] Yeah, so if it's
real, it should continue

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to do it.
- Right, so it shouldn't

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just stop because we're watching it.

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It shouldn't just stop
because we're watching it.

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(unintelligible chatter)

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- [Woman] Okay, so I saw something under,

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oh, I'm shaking right now.

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(woman gasps)

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It's opening up.
- The door just shut, okay.

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No, no, no, they're both moving.

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And so is that curtain,
there has to be a breeze.

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It has to be a breeze,
see how that's moving.

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- [Woman] But I saw the
other door first underneath.

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- [Woman] They move at the same time.

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It's like one opens and one closes.

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- [Woman] We seriously
gotta get some door latches.

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Like, this is absolutely crazy.

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- [Woman] Okay, so, if
this isn't just a breeze,

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can you tell,

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can you talk to us through the Ovilus?

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- [Woman] It said famous, palace, Alice?

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- [Woman] That door just opened
and the other one did not.

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Can you move just one door again?

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- [Woman] Text.

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- [Woman] Okay, so if
this isn't just a breeze,

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can you tell, can you talk
to us through the Ovilus?

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- [Woman] It said famous, palace, Alice.

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- [Woman] That door just opened
and the other one did not.

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Can you move just one door again?

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- [Woman] Text.

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- The door's shuttin'.
- I know.

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- It's fine, it's fine.

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Shut that door for us, thank you.

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Can you shut the other one?

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Can you move the other one now?

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I kind of feel like maybe you can.

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Thank you so much.

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Natural position of these doors is,

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especially this one, it wants to close.

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It's a closed position.

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This one is propped, just a touch,

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is the natural position of these doors.

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So when this one closes
fully there's resistance,

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it's wanting to open, and
when this one is open,

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there's resistance, it's wanting to close.

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So these that, you know, it's
one thing, in my opinion,

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it's one thing to catch
them opening and closing,

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and moving, and kind of breathing,

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but to open and hold itself open

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for a considerable amount
of time is something

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that I've personally never seen before.

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- I'd have to go, I want to go look

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after we're done.
- Sure!

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- Absolutely, and just
see the natural position.

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And you'll see that this
here, especially this door,

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this is not the natural position.

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- 'Cause the, you know,
the first impression

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is it has to be a breeze.
- Sure, yeah.

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- Because especially when
one closes and one opens.

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- Yeah, if they're moving in sync.

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- Yeah, it seems like
that's a breeze coming from

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one side or the other.
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Yeah, for sure.

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I also want to bring it
to your attention as well

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that we had a lot of movement here.

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We had a lot of action in this 15 minutes.

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And when we shut this down
and we all were going to bed,

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we put a steel camera on
these doors, just to see.

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- For how long?
- Just a stationary camera.

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Overnight.

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- What I'd like to do is, first of all,

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go see these doors, of course.

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And then given that,

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I think this place has been
here 112 years or something.

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I've been into a lot of
places to investigate,

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but this has the coolest
feel, as far as, you know,

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the age of the building.

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You know, I've been to all the other ones,

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Waverly's and stuff,

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but when it's a residential
place, for some reason,

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it interests me more.

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And I'd like to see
those doors and maybe do,

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can we do a walkthrough--

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- Absolutely!
- The property?

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- Let's do it, yeah!
- Okay, good!

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- The science of this is
that this device is preloaded

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with hundreds of thousands of words,

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each linked to a different
electromagnetic frequency.

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And it is alleged that a
spirit can then trigger

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certain electronic frequencies

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and trigger words to communicate with us.

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So that's how scientifically
the device works.

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(grunts)

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- [Kane] Anyone here
with us in the ballroom?

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Has to be a lot of history.

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Oh, are those the doors?
- Mm-hmm.

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- [Man] Yeah, see, these
things are super light!

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- Are we in the kitchen?
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Well, and if you'll notice
these doors are not light doors,

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they're not fiberglass
doors or aluminum doors.

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- And there was enough
air, while we were in here,

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that it was moving the
curtains just a little bit.

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But like I said, it was just too.

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- [Kane] Anybody in this kitchen with me?

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- [Woman] We lost him.

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- Anybody?

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Just thought I'd take a quick walk around

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and see if it's anything.

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- Is there anybody in here

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who would like to communicate with us?

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- How are you feeling?

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Are you picking up on anything right now?

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- I mean, I'm picking up on the,

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a lot of the residual stuff.

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I think that what we have
coming is coming later.

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- Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.

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Like the calm before the storm?

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- Right.
- You know?

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The crucifix has been put
in here for protection,

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and I don't know exactly
what has happened in here

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for them to do that,

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but I know that somebody would
have to be pretty afraid.

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- Fairly recently put up there?

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- I'm not sure when it's been put up.

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- I've noticed that in the corners

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of this place, they'll crucifix.

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Like, up the second
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there's a cross put up there.

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So there's been definitely
some not putting--

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- Yeah, there's been rituals here

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of all different sorts over the years,

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but the recent rituals are
lots of protections spells,

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and binding spells,

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and that sort of thing
have been done here.

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I can sense that all over.

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- A lot of workers were
having experiences and stuff.

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- [Woman] I think that she
has a little bit of trouble

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keeping staff.

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- Really?!
- Yeah.

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Now these two pieces of furniture

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also came with the building.

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So, not real sure exactly
how old they are, but,

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they're original pieces.

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- [Woman] That light was flickering.

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- Yeah, I know.
- Did you see that?

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- Yeah.
- What?

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- [Man] Those lights just flickered.

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- And this used to be a pretty
high dollar place to come,

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when the train was really moving,

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and Balsam was really a happening--

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- [Kane] Are the tracks close?

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- The tracks are right there.

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And they're actually built on,

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like a thoroughfare this
whole land, this whole,

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everything that this was built
on used to be tribal land,

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this whole thing.

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And when they founded
Waynesville in Haywood County,

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they actually put bounties
on tribal families

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that wouldn't leave and they
would burn their homes down.

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They would just murder entire families

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in order to make the surrounding town

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of Silva, and Waynesville,
and those places.

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But this whole entire area

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was driven out during the
Trail of Tears and all that.

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And the history before
this place was here,

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is super rich with Native American legends

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and that kind of thing.

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And then they built this

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kind of big monstrosity

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and right in the middle of everything.

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And so it's still kind
of, the reservation's,

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it's super close to us right now.

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So there's no telling what kind of stuff

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we can pick up on here.
- Yeah.

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- [Woman] And some places you go,

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and it talks constantly,
and some places you go,

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and you don't ever hear anything.

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- Going up to the second floor.

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Anyone on this second floor

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that wants to make their
presence known by this device?

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Anyone in this room like to say something?

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- Putting a crucifix in
the corner of buildings

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is to keep the barriers
from one side to the next,

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a safer and less demonic spot.

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I don't think this place
is demonic whatsoever,

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but I think people are afraid of ghosts.

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And so they, you know,
they've seen spirits.

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- That's really not in a corner.

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- That's a corner--
- Of this hallway.

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- Yeah, but it's still in the corner.

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00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,600
And each corner, because it
opens up the entire room to it.

253
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,760
And it's just a way of them feeling safer.

254
00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,250
- I would love to see something
come through this device

255
00:16:40,250 --> 00:16:43,030
regarding this crucifix.
- Ask it, talk it.

256
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:45,783
- Is there any reason that
this is on the wall here?

257
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,390
- Is there anyone here
who wants to take credit

258
00:16:55,390 --> 00:16:57,360
for scaring somebody to
the point that they felt

259
00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,660
like they needed to hang
a cross in this hall?

260
00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:06,913
- Pretty interesting place,

261
00:17:06,913 --> 00:17:09,349
I guess it's supposed to
protect the entire hallway, huh?

262
00:17:09,349 --> 00:17:11,950
- Yeah, I think every hallway has one.

263
00:17:11,950 --> 00:17:12,853
- Oh really?

264
00:17:12,853 --> 00:17:13,733
I didn't even notice.
- You have to look at it,

265
00:17:13,733 --> 00:17:16,720
it's like Where's Waldo, but crosses.

266
00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,693
When you walk in here, you'll find them.

267
00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,480
- Let's go in this one here.

268
00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,634
- Here?
- Yeah.

269
00:17:22,634 --> 00:17:23,693
- [Kane] What's going on with that?

270
00:17:23,693 --> 00:17:24,526
- Well, throughout the building,

271
00:17:24,526 --> 00:17:26,210
you're going to see these welcome signs

272
00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:28,150
on some rooms and not others.

273
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:29,940
And what those are is

274
00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,540
where previous activity has happened.

275
00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:34,670
They're almost markers.

276
00:17:34,670 --> 00:17:37,560
So these are the rooms that people

277
00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,590
who have been here in
the past have experienced

278
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:43,080
or caught relevant evidence
would be in these rooms

279
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,867
with the welcome signs.

280
00:17:44,867 --> 00:17:47,263
- Tell me your name through this device.

281
00:17:48,370 --> 00:17:53,003
Whoever feels that this
room is personal to them.

282
00:17:58,290 --> 00:18:00,290
Can I just try something?

283
00:18:00,290 --> 00:18:01,123
- Of course.
- For sure.

284
00:18:01,123 --> 00:18:03,720
- Stay in here, let me leave,

285
00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,920
and see if your feeling changes.

286
00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,310
I just want to test my
theory that nothing happens

287
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:11,978
when I'm around, typically.

288
00:18:11,978 --> 00:18:12,811
- Can I see that?

289
00:18:12,811 --> 00:18:14,060
- Yeah, that's a good idea.

290
00:18:16,010 --> 00:18:18,620
I'll just go right down
the hall a little bit.

291
00:18:18,620 --> 00:18:20,540
I just want to see, I
just want to test this.

292
00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:23,440
My experience from the past,

293
00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,940
that things always happen to
people I'm with when I leave.

294
00:18:26,940 --> 00:18:30,000
I feel like I'm open to things happening

295
00:18:31,910 --> 00:18:35,380
and it never does unless I leave.

296
00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:37,890
Waverly, all these places I've been to,

297
00:18:37,890 --> 00:18:40,690
soon as I leave, now watch,
when they come out of there.

298
00:18:41,630 --> 00:18:44,480
I'll bet you, they say
something happened more

299
00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,220
than when I was in there.

300
00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:50,500
I hope not because I'd
rather not that be the case.

301
00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:53,143
Could have been just coincidental but,

302
00:18:57,590 --> 00:19:00,110
it's interesting to find
out, I like to test this.

303
00:19:00,110 --> 00:19:01,023
You know?

304
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,150
- Did it say anything?
- Nothing?

305
00:19:03,150 --> 00:19:04,100
- Nothing.
- Okay.

306
00:19:06,507 --> 00:19:07,760
- [Man] We should get both cameras up

307
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,060
and do some good lighting.

308
00:19:10,987 --> 00:19:12,063
- What do you mean nothing?

309
00:19:13,390 --> 00:19:15,364
- It didn't say anything.
- Yes, it did.

310
00:19:15,364 --> 00:19:17,056
- What'd it say?
- No it didn't!

311
00:19:17,056 --> 00:19:17,970
- Yes it did!

312
00:19:17,970 --> 00:19:21,210
When I gave it to him,
the last word was shaken.

313
00:19:21,210 --> 00:19:22,043
- [Woman] What does it say now?

314
00:19:22,043 --> 00:19:23,480
- Lip?

315
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,890
- [Man] Yeah, 'cause you give
me lip every time we do this.

316
00:19:25,890 --> 00:19:27,130
- It just happened then!
- And Synn.

317
00:19:27,130 --> 00:19:28,322
Synn, S-Y-N-N.

318
00:19:28,322 --> 00:19:29,622
- She's talking right now.

319
00:19:30,604 --> 00:19:31,460
(unintelligible overlapping chatter)

320
00:19:31,460 --> 00:19:33,876
- Wow, that's weird.
- No, it didn't talk to us.

321
00:19:33,876 --> 00:19:35,230
- It didn't say that?
- It did not in there.

322
00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:37,340
- Lip and synn, S-Y-N-N.

323
00:19:37,340 --> 00:19:40,803
What is S-Y-N-N, I wonder, but lip?

324
00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:45,046
Talking about my lip?
- S-Y-N-N?

325
00:19:45,046 --> 00:19:47,007
- Mm-hmm.
- S-Y-N-N.

326
00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:49,188
- Maybe it knows about--
- You know.

327
00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:50,450
- Are you sure it didn't
happen when you were in there?

328
00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:52,650
- Let me just say that
while we were in there,

329
00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:55,590
you did say that we want you to know

330
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:57,600
that Kane's not as scary as he seems.

331
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,743
- And this said lip.
- This said lip!

332
00:19:59,743 --> 00:20:01,214
(laughing)

333
00:20:01,214 --> 00:20:05,163
- Wow, and after we were discussing,

334
00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:08,023
wondering what synn is, then the next word

335
00:20:08,023 --> 00:20:10,123
that just came up is guess.

336
00:20:12,850 --> 00:20:13,933
And then rocket.

337
00:20:14,816 --> 00:20:16,340
That's odd.
- That's weird.

338
00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:18,023
- Synn, guess, rocket,

339
00:20:19,550 --> 00:20:22,280
I think lip is the coolest
one I've seen so far.

340
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,110
- [Man] Why does lip
mean something to you?

341
00:20:24,110 --> 00:20:25,210
- Because of my tattoo

342
00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:28,410
in my lip.
- Yeah.

343
00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:30,086
- Which says kill, as most people know.

344
00:20:30,086 --> 00:20:31,937
- Which is literally a sin.

345
00:20:31,937 --> 00:20:34,880
- And to a lot of
people, tattoos are sins.

346
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,713
- Yeah.

347
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:40,910
- Lip, why did you say the word lip?

348
00:20:40,910 --> 00:20:42,523
Is it because of my tattoo?

349
00:20:44,585 --> 00:20:46,250
I know it's not the best word

350
00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:48,233
to have tattooed on your body, but.

351
00:20:49,810 --> 00:20:50,833
It's what it is.

352
00:20:51,970 --> 00:20:55,593
Kinda what I'm known for,
so I just embrace it.

353
00:20:55,593 --> 00:20:57,760
- There's energy in there.

354
00:21:03,700 --> 00:21:08,700
- I wish I could say I feel
uncomfortable somewhere,

355
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,070
but I really don't, not yet, anyway.

356
00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:15,313
I mean, no, I feel very comfortable
in this entire building.

357
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,163
You guys feel the same, Mark?

358
00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:20,760
- I felt that way until

359
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,900
about two o'clock in
the morning last night.

360
00:21:23,900 --> 00:21:24,880
I woke up

361
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,890
and I felt

362
00:21:28,180 --> 00:21:31,550
like there was a presence,
but nothing evil.

363
00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:34,820
Just something that I feel, I can,

364
00:21:34,820 --> 00:21:36,647
I felt like it's, this sounds weird,

365
00:21:36,647 --> 00:21:40,110
and I know it's because we're
preparing for the thing,

366
00:21:40,110 --> 00:21:41,500
but it was like,

367
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,830
I had this feeling that they
were sprucing up for us,

368
00:21:44,830 --> 00:21:47,880
getting ready for us,
so it's a weird feeling,

369
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,370
but it definitely felt like something,

370
00:21:50,370 --> 00:21:51,450
I don't want to say foreboding,

371
00:21:51,450 --> 00:21:54,160
but something upcoming that,

372
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,240
and I'm sure it's me
excited about doing this,

373
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,610
but that's the only
thing I really picked up,

374
00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:03,090
and I did feel it was some type of energy,

375
00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:04,660
and I hope that's what it is.

376
00:22:04,660 --> 00:22:06,410
And not just me, you know,

377
00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:08,650
dreaming it up because this place

378
00:22:08,650 --> 00:22:10,693
definitely has an energy to it.

379
00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:14,573
I'd like it to be a
lot stronger right now.

380
00:22:17,410 --> 00:22:20,330
- Yeah, I slept really well last night.

381
00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:21,610
- I slept really well.
- No problems.

382
00:22:21,610 --> 00:22:24,310
- I woke up like at two o'clock,

383
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:26,660
and like bolted up and you know,

384
00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:27,821
and I had that feeling.

385
00:22:27,821 --> 00:22:29,673
And then I went and went
right back to sleep.

386
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,700
- I feel like every time
it gets handed to you,

387
00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:36,857
it says something.
- I know!

388
00:22:36,857 --> 00:22:39,240
It just did!
- It did!

389
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,180
What did it say?!
- Why does that happen?

390
00:22:41,180 --> 00:22:42,088
Every time it's handed back to me.

391
00:22:42,088 --> 00:22:42,921
- What did it just say?

392
00:22:42,921 --> 00:22:44,543
Let me see!
- Wait, wait, relax!

393
00:22:44,543 --> 00:22:46,970
(laughing)

394
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:50,083
Right when you handed it
to me, it said, Creek.

395
00:22:51,417 --> 00:22:52,833
- Creek.
- Wow.

396
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:56,893
Pushed, and then especially.

397
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,780
Kind of an odd word.

398
00:22:59,780 --> 00:23:00,983
And then bank.

399
00:23:02,490 --> 00:23:04,100
- Can we try something real quick?

400
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:06,640
Just because every time
we hand this thing over,

401
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,120
it says something, let's pass it around.

402
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,770
Just for the hell of it.
- Okay.

403
00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:15,543
Wrench, like a tool,

404
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,390
and molecules.

405
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:19,300
Wow.

406
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:21,450
- I was going to ask you,
do you know how he passed?

407
00:23:21,450 --> 00:23:22,530
Where that spirit came?

408
00:23:22,530 --> 00:23:24,750
- Did someone get hurt by a wrench?

409
00:23:24,750 --> 00:23:26,163
Did someone get pushed?

410
00:23:28,210 --> 00:23:29,613
- Down a bank, into a creek?

411
00:23:30,530 --> 00:23:32,143
- Down a bank, into a creek!

412
00:23:33,130 --> 00:23:35,393
- The Creek was close by?
- Mm-hmm.

413
00:23:36,250 --> 00:23:38,413
- Did someone get hurt?

414
00:23:39,370 --> 00:23:42,170
Are you telling us that there
was someone that was hurt?

415
00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:49,670
- We would love to hear from you.

416
00:23:49,670 --> 00:23:52,693
- It just do something?
- No, that was that.

417
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,760
- So if it's going to be
the same way as it's been,

418
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,750
it's going to do something as soon

419
00:24:00,750 --> 00:24:02,129
as it's handed back to me
- Probably!

420
00:24:02,129 --> 00:24:02,962
(laughing)

421
00:24:02,962 --> 00:24:04,340
- That'd be cool.

422
00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:05,610
- When you're talking about the ranch,

423
00:24:05,610 --> 00:24:07,700
are you talking about the plumbers

424
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:10,350
that you guys tormented
while they were here working?

425
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:14,793
There's a whole list of plumbers
that left here in a hurry.

426
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,260
- [Man] Yeah, they got scared.

427
00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:22,870
- The plumber I know,
lost his whole crew here,

428
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:25,030
one by one, his whole crew quit.

429
00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:27,040
- Because of incidents?
- Because of activity

430
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,360
that happened to them.

431
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:29,840
Terrified.
- During the day?

432
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,000
- [Woman] During the day.

433
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,340
- 'Cause they were working and sometimes

434
00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:33,430
that tends to amp it up.

435
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:34,807
- So let's see if it does anything.

436
00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:36,885
- [Woman] It was in the middle of remodel.

437
00:24:36,885 --> 00:24:38,043
(laughing)

438
00:24:38,043 --> 00:24:39,842
- It just did two!
- Did it?!

439
00:24:39,842 --> 00:24:40,829
- It's still talking to you.

440
00:24:40,829 --> 00:24:42,850
- What'd it say?
- I haven't looked.

441
00:24:42,850 --> 00:24:45,373
As soon as it's handed
back to me, it talks again.

442
00:24:47,610 --> 00:24:49,263
Three, actually.
- Three.

443
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,260
- Is the bottom one the first one it said?

444
00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:53,280
- [Woman] It's the last one it said.

445
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,893
- Okay, so panel,

446
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,873
P-A-N-E-L, equal, and maximum.

447
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,360
Hold it again.

448
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:04,840
Every time you give it
to me, it seems like,

449
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:05,963
no, you did that one.

450
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:10,470
- What are you trying to say?

451
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:11,673
Please repeat.

452
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,600
We'd love to know what
you're trying to say to us.

453
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,523
And we appreciate you speaking to us.

454
00:25:20,826 --> 00:25:22,841
(laughing)

455
00:25:22,841 --> 00:25:25,940
- That's pretty crazy,
it just did it again.

456
00:25:25,940 --> 00:25:27,610
Just one word this time.

457
00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:29,430
What did it sound like
to you before we look.

458
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:30,630
- I can't hear.
- Frying, I heard.

459
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:31,463
- Probably nine?

460
00:25:31,463 --> 00:25:33,754
- I heard night or something.
- Night, something.

461
00:25:33,754 --> 00:25:36,090
With an I in there.

462
00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:37,140
- Two more.

463
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:38,830
The number nine.

464
00:25:38,830 --> 00:25:42,423
- Wow.
- The number nine and scruple.

465
00:25:46,570 --> 00:25:49,200
That's pretty weird that every
time it's handed back to me.

466
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,528
- All right, we appreciate
you talking with us.

467
00:25:52,528 --> 00:25:55,078
Would love to figure out
what you're trying to say.

468
00:25:56,166 --> 00:25:59,750
Are you saying in any way
that someone was hurt,

469
00:25:59,750 --> 00:26:01,773
and that in this area?

470
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,910
Was it nine plumbers that quit,

471
00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:07,553
which would be wonderful?

472
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,640
Are you saying there's
something in the panels,

473
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,820
under the panels, which would be creepy,

474
00:26:13,820 --> 00:26:15,323
and we need to.

475
00:26:18,465 --> 00:26:20,476
What's this?
- Scruple.

476
00:26:20,476 --> 00:26:22,060
- No, no.
- Scruple, yeah.

477
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:24,770
- And we don't have any
scruples for talking this way.

478
00:26:24,770 --> 00:26:26,590
All right, but please,

479
00:26:26,590 --> 00:26:29,430
if there's any way you
could communicate with us

480
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:32,250
a little bit stronger
and give us, we're not,

481
00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:33,930
I'm not that smart, I need to know

482
00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:35,230
what you're trying to say.

483
00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:38,780
- Maybe hand it to her first.

484
00:26:44,550 --> 00:26:45,900
- Mark said at best, we need you to be

485
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:47,543
very, very clear with us.

486
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:56,460
Is there anything you can
say to me through this box?

487
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,573
- Maybe you try it?

488
00:27:07,408 --> 00:27:10,270
- I kind of feel like maybe
it's heard you talking

489
00:27:10,270 --> 00:27:12,943
and now it's trying to
prove to you that it's here.

490
00:27:12,943 --> 00:27:14,440
(laughing)

491
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Because that is so strange.

492
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,130
- That is pretty, if it happens again,

493
00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:21,330
then that's beyond random.

494
00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:22,343
I would think nothing--

495
00:27:22,343 --> 00:27:23,564
- I feel like it's already beyond random.

496
00:27:23,564 --> 00:27:26,260
- I think it's beyond random.
- It's pretty close.

497
00:27:26,260 --> 00:27:27,270
- It never talks to you,

498
00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:28,167
and then you're the only one it talks to.

499
00:27:28,167 --> 00:27:30,130
- [Woman] She's put it out
that nothing ever happens.

500
00:27:30,130 --> 00:27:32,450
- [Woman] And it's been
consistent since we turned it on.

501
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:33,593
- Let's hear something.

502
00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:36,363
Come on.

503
00:27:36,363 --> 00:27:37,380
- Now it's going to mess with you.

504
00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:40,143
- Yeah, because I want it.
- Now it's like ha-ha.

505
00:27:42,377 --> 00:27:43,363
- Ah, see.

506
00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:45,323
That's too bad.

507
00:27:45,323 --> 00:27:48,180
If that had happened again,
that'd be pretty good.

508
00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:49,550
Let's go upstairs, shall we?

509
00:27:49,550 --> 00:27:52,450
- I'm pretty amazed that it
happened three times in a row.

510
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,080
- This is actually my favorite room.

511
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,540
- Is it?
- Yeah, because I looked

512
00:27:57,540 --> 00:27:59,603
in here when I was coming down.

513
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:03,940
- [Woman] What draws you to this room?

514
00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:04,773
What do you like about it?

515
00:28:04,773 --> 00:28:07,373
- As I walked through the
door, it said percent.

516
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,273
I don't know, just a nice, nice room.

517
00:28:15,273 --> 00:28:17,493
Do you want to tell me
anything about this room?

518
00:28:18,361 --> 00:28:20,337
- [Woman] I like this room.

519
00:28:20,337 --> 00:28:22,321
- I don't like this room.
- You don't?

520
00:28:22,321 --> 00:28:23,716
(woman negatively grunts)

521
00:28:23,716 --> 00:28:25,363
- You think about this room at all?

522
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Percent, what would that mean?

523
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,073
Percent.

524
00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:38,924
It just said something again.

525
00:28:38,924 --> 00:28:39,965
- Did it?
- I don't like to look--

526
00:28:39,965 --> 00:28:41,670
- That is so crazy!

527
00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:43,730
- It just said something
again, but I haven't looked.

528
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:45,046
- Oh, great.

529
00:28:45,046 --> 00:28:47,900
(laughing)

530
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:49,140
- That's wild.

531
00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:50,807
- It's more interesting that--

532
00:28:51,881 --> 00:28:53,653
- What'd it say?
- It said,

533
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,023
Doug.

534
00:28:56,910 --> 00:28:57,963
D-U-G.

535
00:29:00,130 --> 00:29:03,200
- Yeah, it can be very, very confusing

536
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,573
because you do have,

537
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:08,500
you've got to think of
these as like passageways.

538
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:10,840
And there, I don't even
know where to start.

539
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,710
There's so many layers to what is here.

540
00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:15,940
There's things that were
attached to the land

541
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:17,350
long before anything was built here.

542
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:19,320
You've got the native American stuff.

543
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,270
You've got the soldiers
that came through here.

544
00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:25,280
Many who were injured, brought
here and even died here.

545
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,810
And then you've got staff over the years.

546
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:32,130
You've got visitors who loved this place.

547
00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:35,790
And then on top of that,
you have timestamps.

548
00:29:35,790 --> 00:29:39,710
You have residual energy that
just constantly is moving

549
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:41,390
and they don't see you,
they don't know you're here.

550
00:29:41,390 --> 00:29:42,260
They walk right through you.

551
00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:45,240
They just keep doing their thing.

552
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,973
And when you get in
these high traffic areas,

553
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:52,650
you often get more than
one entity fighting

554
00:29:52,650 --> 00:29:56,530
for the chance to talk,

555
00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:58,030
frightened, to say what they want to say,

556
00:29:58,030 --> 00:30:00,420
and it can get incredibly confusing.

557
00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:04,513
- If all this is true,

558
00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:09,290
for any kind of entity
or spirit to come up

559
00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:11,200
and actually say anything or touch it,

560
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,535
it takes a lot of energy to do that.

561
00:30:13,535 --> 00:30:14,368
- It does, it does.

562
00:30:14,368 --> 00:30:15,710
- Do you think it's like,

563
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:19,470
all they can muster
sometimes is like, Doug?

564
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:21,100
- I would say sometimes, yeah.

565
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:23,123
Yeah, depending on the situation.

566
00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:25,150
You know, and it depends on what kind

567
00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:26,360
of conduit you have around.

568
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,330
If you're having a thunderstorm,

569
00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:29,210
if you're sitting on a limestone slab,

570
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:31,710
if there's running water nearby,

571
00:30:31,710 --> 00:30:34,010
the snow with the static electricity,

572
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:35,340
those things will certainly amp it up.

573
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:36,450
But yeah, yeah.

574
00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:38,690
I mean, they have to
pull from what they can

575
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:40,300
to do as little as they can.

576
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:43,480
- But also they don't know what this is.

577
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,460
And so they don't know what frequency

578
00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:46,860
is attached to what words,

579
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:49,710
so what we're picking up
may be completely random,

580
00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:50,930
but it could be practicing.

581
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:53,190
It could be like, "Okay,
maybe if I do this,"

582
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:54,860
maybe it's learning with us.

583
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:56,150
- You know, it'd be a trip

584
00:30:56,150 --> 00:30:58,430
if like some of these
words we're picking up

585
00:30:58,430 --> 00:31:01,760
that it's translating
into English is Cherokee.

586
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,230
You know, if we are picking it up,

587
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:05,070
and that's the only way the
machine could pick it up

588
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:08,723
because, you know, we don't
know, how to speak Cherokee.

589
00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:10,970
- Just said little.

590
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,058
- Oh, then that's not fair.

591
00:31:14,058 --> 00:31:15,310
- [Man] That's the nursery.

592
00:31:15,310 --> 00:31:16,560
- The nursery right here.

593
00:31:18,770 --> 00:31:20,600
- [Kane] This used to be the nursery?

594
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,160
- Uh-huh, It was like a playroom
where they kept the kids.

595
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,080
So the parents could do whenever
it was they wanted to do.

596
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,720
- [Kane] Very cool that it said little.

597
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,553
- [Woman] Yeah.

598
00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:33,890
- Little.

599
00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:36,820
I just, you know, what I worry about

600
00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:40,840
with a lot of this kind
of stuff is trying to

601
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,490
make things fit and
make things meaningful.

602
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:49,040
And that, you know, I don't know.

603
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,850
I just, I always try to
avoid doing that myself

604
00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:57,060
or making it, "Wait a
minute, that could mean."

605
00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:58,487
- And there's never a moment
where we're going to say,

606
00:31:58,487 --> 00:32:00,750
"This is definitively what it means,"

607
00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:03,030
but the benefit to, sometimes,

608
00:32:03,030 --> 00:32:04,900
trying to interpret what's going on,

609
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:07,230
the only real benefit is hoping

610
00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:09,220
that you can get a response.

611
00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:10,940
If you're getting it right,
you'll get a response.

612
00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:13,640
If you're getting it wrong,
maybe you'll get that response.

613
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,240
But that's really the only benefit

614
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,270
to trying to interpret
in the moment, you know?

615
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:20,700
The goal and the hope

616
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,970
is that it'll all come together for us,

617
00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:25,730
that they'll give us enough information

618
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:27,830
and they'll give us enough
of that communication,

619
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:30,593
so that we don't have to tell
their story, they tell it.

620
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:34,723
- I meant to ask, maybe I can ask later,

621
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:38,460
Candy, downstairs, said she was shoved

622
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:40,770
in a storage room or something?

623
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:42,350
Do you know where that is?
- I do.

624
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:43,183
- [Man] I think that storage room was--

625
00:32:43,183 --> 00:32:44,550
- [Woman] It's to the left,

626
00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:48,030
Only place in the whole
building that I was afraid

627
00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:48,963
was up here.

628
00:32:50,677 --> 00:32:52,503
- I like it!
- Yeah.

629
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:55,350
- [Kane] Why is this Henry's hallway?

630
00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:57,910
- It's believed that Henry

631
00:32:57,910 --> 00:33:00,340
is the malicious entity that is here.

632
00:33:00,340 --> 00:33:02,900
And he was trapped in here.

633
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:05,233
- [Kane] I'm seeing if it says anything.

634
00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:07,760
- But he was the malicious
energy that was here.

635
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,570
They gave him this name, I
don't know if they found it

636
00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:12,800
in documents or what,
but they named him this.

637
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,340
And they bound him to this area here.

638
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:18,823
And you'll see the black tourmaline.

639
00:33:20,765 --> 00:33:21,598
- [Kane] What is that?

640
00:33:21,598 --> 00:33:23,150
- This is black tourmaline here.

641
00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:25,350
- What is that, rock?
- It is, it's a stone,

642
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:30,280
and what is used for is
to absorb negative energy.

643
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,630
And then you have these selenite pieces,

644
00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:38,630
and the selenite pieces
are used for protection.

645
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,240
There's several uses,

646
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,250
it can turn off psychic ability,

647
00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:45,050
it shuts down activity.

648
00:33:45,050 --> 00:33:48,020
Selenite is known to--
- Why specifically here?

649
00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:49,940
Is this a real active room or something?

650
00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:53,230
- They've had several rituals done.

651
00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:54,210
The last time we were here,

652
00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:55,940
this door was completely bound,

653
00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:58,610
and I noticed that it is not this time,

654
00:33:58,610 --> 00:34:01,710
but it had been bound multiple times.

655
00:34:01,710 --> 00:34:03,890
almost as like a barrier that, you know,

656
00:34:03,890 --> 00:34:05,570
this entity's trapped in here,

657
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:07,280
you cannot cross this barrier.

658
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,112
If you're going to be here,

659
00:34:08,112 --> 00:34:09,600
and we don't know how to get rid of you,

660
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,780
you're going to stay right here.

661
00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:12,830
We're at least going to
have you centralized.

662
00:34:12,830 --> 00:34:14,630
- Can we go in here tonight?

663
00:34:14,630 --> 00:34:15,929
- [Man] We're negotiating that.

664
00:34:15,929 --> 00:34:19,510
That requires an individual
waiver to the hotel.

665
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:23,389
- Can we take down the
safety stones if we do?

666
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:25,913
Or even just when we come here tonight?

667
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,060
Nope?
- She doesn't even want

668
00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:29,010
to let us in there.

669
00:34:30,190 --> 00:34:32,110
Or the basement.
- Well, that's intriguing,

670
00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:34,342
and that just makes us
want to go in there.

671
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:36,520
- [Man] She said two people got hurt

672
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,469
in their own paranormal investigations.

673
00:34:39,340 --> 00:34:40,533
- In here?
- Yes.

674
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:43,094
I mean, I'm not trying to blow it up,

675
00:34:43,094 --> 00:34:44,487
I'm just telling me what she tells me.

676
00:34:44,487 --> 00:34:46,637
- And that's the owner
we're talking about?

677
00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:50,260
- [Man] You could tell she legitly--

678
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,690
- She's afraid of this room.
- Believes in this place.

679
00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:54,110
- [Woman] What did that say?

680
00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:56,199
- [Woman] Did it say witch?

681
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:57,600
- Did it say witch?
- Yeah.

682
00:34:59,290 --> 00:35:00,800
- That's me, I'll own it.

683
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,650
- It said remember,
and then it said witch,

684
00:35:05,650 --> 00:35:07,770
and then it said David.

685
00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:11,050
- I get called a witch every single time.

686
00:35:11,050 --> 00:35:14,760
- A witch?!
- Every single time.

687
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,960
Every time I've ever done an investigation

688
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,310
and used that Ovilus,

689
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:19,630
I've been called a witch.
- You heard it say witch?

690
00:35:19,630 --> 00:35:22,063
- Yeah, and I felt it, I knew it, yeah.

691
00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:26,413
- Kane, walk up to the
door and ask it a question.

692
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:31,493
- Like, David or?
- Whatever.

693
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:34,973
- I'd like to enter this room.

694
00:35:36,330 --> 00:35:38,563
Would you have a problem that?

695
00:35:46,231 --> 00:35:49,519
(door rattling)

696
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:50,670
Damn it.

697
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:52,244
Sneak in there.

698
00:35:52,244 --> 00:35:53,210
(laughing)

699
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:55,080
- [Woman] Just a little peak.

700
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,233
- I wanna go in this room, is that okay?

701
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:01,763
- [Man] Damn crystals.

702
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:04,890
- [Woman] Do you want us to open the door?

703
00:36:07,218 --> 00:36:08,630
- I think it's locked.

704
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:09,710
- Just sorta an experiment,

705
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:11,663
I'm going to take those crystals down.

706
00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:14,760
And, Kane, you approach it again.

707
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:18,490
Amanda, do you want me to do that?

708
00:36:18,490 --> 00:36:19,540
- It's okay.
- Okay.

709
00:36:28,957 --> 00:36:32,374
- [Woman] She's getting goosebumps again.

710
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,610
- So I'm right at the door.

711
00:36:36,610 --> 00:36:39,297
I'd like to come in here at some point.

712
00:36:39,297 --> 00:36:40,597
It doesn't have to be now.

713
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:46,310
How would you feel about that?

714
00:36:51,358 --> 00:36:54,025
(door rattling)

715
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,803
Not trying to antagonize,
just trying to get a response.

716
00:37:01,802 --> 00:37:04,178
They did not like me doing that.

717
00:37:04,178 --> 00:37:06,428
(chuckles)

718
00:37:08,006 --> 00:37:09,160
(gasps)

719
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,360
What'd it say?
- I think it said threat,

720
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,790
is what I heard.
- I thought it secret.

721
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:14,090
- Secret?
- Did it?

722
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,850
- Threat?
- Yeah!

723
00:37:18,850 --> 00:37:21,020
- Threat?!
- Am I a threat to you?

724
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,230
- [Man] What do you have in your hands?

725
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:24,660
- [Woman] you have the stuff in your hand.

726
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:25,493
I have goosebumps from head to toe.

727
00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:27,843
- That's pretty bizarre.
- That's a good one.

728
00:37:29,971 --> 00:37:32,050
- You got to say that's
pretty coincidental.

729
00:37:32,050 --> 00:37:34,560
- That's good, I like that.
- Threat, as soon as she--

730
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,760
- [Man] Come up with those crystals?

731
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,470
- That was a big one.

732
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:41,126
- I would like to personally say creepy.

733
00:37:41,126 --> 00:37:42,236
(laughing)

734
00:37:42,236 --> 00:37:43,586
- Yeah, be up here at nine.

735
00:37:44,980 --> 00:37:46,583
All right, so we meet again.

736
00:37:48,751 --> 00:37:49,720
If there's anything here that would like

737
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,370
to communicate with us, we
ask that you step forward,

738
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:55,513
give us a sign that you're here.

739
00:37:56,830 --> 00:37:59,350
Kate entered.

740
00:37:59,350 --> 00:38:01,140
- Entered?
- Mm-hmm.

741
00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:02,640
Do we have someone named Kate?

742
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,290
Can you come speak with us, Kate?

743
00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:19,596
- [Ovilus] Blaze.

744
00:38:19,596 --> 00:38:20,429
- Blaze.

745
00:38:21,447 --> 00:38:23,697
(laughing)

746
00:38:24,810 --> 00:38:28,020
The guy that has been burned grabs the--

747
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:29,590
- [Woman] Wow.

748
00:38:29,590 --> 00:38:31,970
- Blaze, interesting.

749
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:36,840
Is that referring to
my fire injury perhaps?

750
00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:45,910
- Okay, so, basically what we do

751
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:49,150
with the Estes Method is we're going to,

752
00:38:49,150 --> 00:38:51,500
I will, essentially, be putting on a set

753
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:53,350
of noise canceling headphones,

754
00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:55,720
and blindfolding myself.

755
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:59,090
And those headphones are then
attached to the spirit box,

756
00:38:59,090 --> 00:39:01,990
which is the device
that runs off of Hertz,

757
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:03,220
which are radio waves.

758
00:39:03,220 --> 00:39:08,220
And as I'm getting sounds,
words, anything I can make out,

759
00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:11,840
I'm going to vocalize those out.

760
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,270
However, I can't hear what they're asking,

761
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:17,100
what they're communicating.

762
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:18,530
I just tell you what I hear,

763
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:20,080
and hopefully they'll coincide.

764
00:39:30,330 --> 00:39:31,840
- If there's any kind of message

765
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,663
that you would like to
tell us, now is the time.

766
00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:41,750
There's a person in the hall

767
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:44,033
that can hear you if you speak.

768
00:39:48,937 --> 00:39:52,687
- I just felt a big
energy shift in the room.

769
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:57,110
- [Maeve] There's a device
that can also pick up

770
00:39:57,110 --> 00:40:00,067
if you would like to
communicate through it.

771
00:40:00,067 --> 00:40:02,693
- Oh, this lady just, she's yelping.

772
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:05,780
- [Maeve] Is there something
we can do to help you?

773
00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:07,113
Are you in pain?

774
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:11,753
Are you afraid?

775
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:19,630
Is there something chasing you?

776
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:20,623
- She screamed.

777
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,340
- [Maeve] What is chasing you?

778
00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:26,340
- [Kane] Pride.

779
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:27,973
- Walk
- Stop!

780
00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:30,453
- [Kane] Magic.

781
00:40:31,617 --> 00:40:32,450
- Oh, oh!

782
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:35,330
He said help again.

783
00:40:35,330 --> 00:40:36,843
There's a male saying help.

784
00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:39,250
- [Maeve] Okay, I feel like
there's a lot of stuff--

785
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:41,023
- Help me, it was the female!

786
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:44,620
- [Maeve] What can we do to help you?

787
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,540
Is there some kind of
supernatural thing going on

788
00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:52,100
that we can help you with?

789
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:52,933
- Whoa!

790
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,340
- [Maeve] Is that where
magic comes into play?

791
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,993
- She yelped again.

792
00:40:59,993 --> 00:41:01,743
It's the same yelp every time.

793
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,930
- [Maeve] What are you afraid of?

794
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:13,370
- A man!

795
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:15,023
- [Maeve] What is the man doing?

796
00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:18,823
Is he chasing you?

797
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:20,853
- Get out!

798
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:23,550
- [Maeve] Is he attacking you?

799
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,993
- He's here.

800
00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:34,317
- [Maeve] Is this man someone you know?

801
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:41,513
- My heart is racing.

802
00:41:45,386 --> 00:41:48,667
- We need more information
so we can help you.

803
00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:55,903
Is he hurting you?

804
00:41:58,660 --> 00:42:00,290
- [Amanda] Yes.

805
00:42:00,290 --> 00:42:01,193
Yeah.

806
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,543
- What's he doing to you?

807
00:42:10,750 --> 00:42:11,920
- This is unbelievable,

808
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,207
but the male voice said, "You bitch."

809
00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:19,937
- [Maeve] I just want
to know more about you.

810
00:42:19,937 --> 00:42:22,490
- "Please," she said, "Please."

811
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:24,490
- [Maeve] I want to know more about you.

812
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:30,720
If you were the man

813
00:42:31,780 --> 00:42:33,423
going after this woman,

814
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,580
why?

815
00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:38,283
What are you doing this for?

816
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,160
- He said, "Bitch."
- Often.

817
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,160
- [Maeve] Oh, you do this often, do you?

818
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,000
Why?

819
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,253
Who's the bitch?

820
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:52,870
- Her.

821
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:54,350
- [Maeve] What did she do?

822
00:42:54,350 --> 00:42:55,683
Why is she a bitch?

823
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:59,383
- [Kane] Think.

824
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,643
- [Maeve] Why wouldn't
you leave her alone?

825
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:08,683
- I did it.

826
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:13,613
- [Maeve] Were you responsible
for taking her life?

827
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,313
- Yes.

828
00:43:16,270 --> 00:43:17,820
- [Maeve] How did you kill her?

829
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:20,493
- I'm mad.

830
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:24,777
- [Maeve] We all get mad,
why did you kill her?

831
00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:33,493
How did you kill her?

832
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:46,273
Don't get quiet now.

833
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,714
- Is this David?

834
00:43:56,714 --> 00:43:58,010
(unintelligible crosstalk)

835
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:58,860
- What'd she say?

836
00:44:01,985 --> 00:44:04,260
- I couldn't hear it.
- I didn't hear it.

837
00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:05,093
- David?

838
00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:07,293
It said, remember,

839
00:44:08,490 --> 00:44:10,610
and then it said witch,

840
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:11,933
and then it said, David.

841
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,193
David?

842
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:18,503
David?

843
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:21,713
Answer me, David.

844
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,830
- [Amanda] It's me.

845
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:26,977
- What?
- She said, "It's me."

846
00:44:31,341 --> 00:44:32,174
- This is David?

847
00:44:33,450 --> 00:44:34,683
Thank you for answering.

848
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,523
- Do something to prove you're here.

849
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:48,583
Make a noise, knock on a door.

850
00:44:53,950 --> 00:44:54,783
- Don't come.

851
00:45:00,950 --> 00:45:03,303
- [Maeve] We just want
to know more about you.

852
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,633
- [Kane] David.

853
00:45:14,568 --> 00:45:19,151
- [Maeve] If the lady is
still here, what is your name?

854
00:45:27,194 --> 00:45:28,544
What can we do to help you?

855
00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:42,983
- Too bad.

856
00:45:44,433 --> 00:45:46,560
- What?
- She said, "Too bad."

857
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,350
- Baby.
- "Too bad, baby."

858
00:45:49,350 --> 00:45:50,533
- Baby?
- Yeah.

859
00:45:58,134 --> 00:45:59,720
I want the woman to come talk to us--

860
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:00,553
- [Amanda] Hi.

861
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:02,553
- Hi.

862
00:46:03,736 --> 00:46:06,069
(shushing)

863
00:46:10,749 --> 00:46:14,630
It's almost like she said,
"Hi," and he shushed her.

864
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:15,463
- That's funny.

865
00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:19,423
- It's sad.

866
00:46:22,848 --> 00:46:24,020
(gasping)

867
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:26,847
The creepiest female voice
just whispered, sort of,

868
00:46:26,847 --> 00:46:28,810
and said, "That was it."

869
00:46:28,810 --> 00:46:30,627
- Said what?
- "That was it."

870
00:46:31,552 --> 00:46:34,893
- What'd that say?
- Mad and alone.

871
00:46:36,570 --> 00:46:40,250
- Are we getting closer to
talking to what is in that room?

872
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:41,283
- Attack?

873
00:46:42,810 --> 00:46:43,730
- [Maeve] Okay, I feel like we're getting

874
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:48,730
some negative stuff, so is this
what was locked in the room?

875
00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:50,853
Can you focus your energy?

876
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:54,890
I feel like you're scattered
and kind of all over the place.

877
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:59,540
Can you focus that energy
on a message, on a noise?

878
00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:00,563
- I'm here!

879
00:47:03,660 --> 00:47:05,160
- We want to know more about you.

880
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,693
Anything you can tell us?

881
00:47:07,622 --> 00:47:09,680
I feel like there's a lot of energy,

882
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,823
and it's kind of going all over the place.

883
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:16,450
Like there's more than one--

884
00:47:16,450 --> 00:47:18,943
- Say it.
- Trying to communicate.

885
00:47:21,870 --> 00:47:23,170
Try to focus

886
00:47:25,390 --> 00:47:26,223
on one mess--

887
00:47:26,223 --> 00:47:28,150
- Is there anywhere a
breeze could be coming from?

888
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:29,293
Like a heavy one?

889
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,530
- [Maeve] Is that you making
the breeze around Amanda?

890
00:47:35,530 --> 00:47:37,590
- I did it.

891
00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:38,690
- [Maeve] Who are you?

892
00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:43,513
Which one are you?

893
00:47:48,610 --> 00:47:50,603
If you made the breeze, who are you?

894
00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:57,523
- I don't want to.

895
00:48:01,620 --> 00:48:03,020
- [Maeve] Please talk to us.

896
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:09,320
We're trying to make sense
of what all you're saying,

897
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,463
but there's a lot.

898
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,193
- Fire.

899
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:21,243
- Fire?
- Mm-hmm.

900
00:48:24,854 --> 00:48:27,270
- [Kane] Was that directed toward me?

901
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:28,103
Fire?

902
00:48:41,579 --> 00:48:43,390
- [Maeve] I feel like
maybe you've been trying

903
00:48:43,390 --> 00:48:45,733
to talk to Kane while we've been here.

904
00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:49,180
Is there something you
would like to say to him?

905
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:54,800
- [Kane] I'm willing to listen.

906
00:48:59,010 --> 00:49:01,583
Open-minded, tell me anything.

907
00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:06,973
- Jack.

908
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:10,540
- What?
- Jack.

909
00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:12,630
Does that mean anything to you?

910
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:13,463
- Yeah.

911
00:49:19,930 --> 00:49:21,973
Which Jack are you referring to?

912
00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:25,053
- [Amanda] War.

913
00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:28,183
- War.
- War?

914
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:36,520
- [Amanda] Out loud.

915
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,353
- Out loud.

916
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:47,350
- Crossover, faster--

917
00:49:47,350 --> 00:49:48,980
- [Amanda] Mary.

918
00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:50,210
- What was that?
- Mary.

919
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:51,043
- Mary.

920
00:49:52,210 --> 00:49:53,113
- [Amanda] Wow.

921
00:49:56,010 --> 00:49:58,173
- Give me more information about Jack.

922
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,193
Can you give me a last name for Jack?

923
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,350
Or another name for Jack?

924
00:50:14,350 --> 00:50:15,533
- Why do you ask?

925
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:22,537
- [Kane] Well, I have a
couple of Jacks in my past

926
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,560
and in my life, I'd like to know

927
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,173
which one you're referring to.

928
00:50:36,214 --> 00:50:37,047
Jack.

929
00:50:45,330 --> 00:50:47,303
Just trying to understand that's all.

930
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,420
- It's saying

931
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:54,363
things quietly that I just can't make out.

932
00:50:55,590 --> 00:50:57,540
- [Kane] Need to speak up a little bit.

933
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,110
Say another name with Jack or something

934
00:51:04,310 --> 00:51:06,890
that has to do with the
Jack you're speaking about.

935
00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:08,213
So I know who it is.

936
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:11,163
Too many Jacks in my life.

937
00:51:12,941 --> 00:51:14,193
- I don't want to do it.

938
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,030
- [Kane] Well, why'd you
bring up the name then?

939
00:51:18,030 --> 00:51:20,143
Just give me a little bit more.

940
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:25,373
- Me?

941
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,580
- [Kane] Yes, you.

942
00:51:30,690 --> 00:51:31,523
Jack?

943
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,193
What?

944
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:46,883
Referring to when I was a
child or when I was an adult?

945
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,943
There are two Jacks.

946
00:51:57,380 --> 00:51:58,213
Just give me a hint.

947
00:51:58,213 --> 00:52:01,623
That's all, just an extra
piece of information.

948
00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:04,823
- It's me, it's him.

949
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,100
- [Kane] I don't know who that is.

950
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,033
- It said don't something me.

951
00:52:19,093 --> 00:52:22,660
- I'm not trying to anger
you, if that's what you mean.

952
00:52:26,085 --> 00:52:27,418
- [Ovilus] Hair.

953
00:52:29,010 --> 00:52:29,863
Hair.

954
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,563
Hmm, doesn't give me a lot of information.

955
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:37,943
Let's go back to Jack.

956
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:41,340
- [Amanda] Too bad.

957
00:52:42,340 --> 00:52:43,173
- Too bad?

958
00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:47,460
Oh, all right, well.

959
00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:49,560
Just trying to understand you, that's all.

960
00:52:51,490 --> 00:52:53,993
- No.
- Okay, fine.

961
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:58,610
- Now we're going to get argumentative.

962
00:53:01,220 --> 00:53:02,053
- Me.

963
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:11,913
It does look pretty cool.

964
00:53:11,913 --> 00:53:13,500
- Is it a strange feeling though?

965
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:14,780
- It is, it is.

966
00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:17,340
I mean, imagine like most

967
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:19,820
of your senses being cut off, you know?

968
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:21,790
- And you're just saying what you hear

969
00:53:21,790 --> 00:53:22,960
from the Spirit Box.
- Yeah, yeah.

970
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,700
Essentially, the
noise-canceling headphones,

971
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:28,910
anything I hear outside,
movement or whatever,

972
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:31,590
is incredibly muffled, if any, at all.

973
00:53:31,590 --> 00:53:33,003
And then I just hear.

974
00:53:33,003 --> 00:53:33,970
(whooshing)

975
00:53:33,970 --> 00:53:34,803
- [Man] Have you watched this?

976
00:53:34,803 --> 00:53:35,780
- Have you seen--
- I haven't, no.

977
00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:37,080
I haven't watched it back.

978
00:53:38,571 --> 00:53:40,749
- A lot of focus on Kane, folks.

979
00:53:40,749 --> 00:53:41,582
- There really is, I noticed that.

980
00:53:41,582 --> 00:53:43,140
- I don't know if that's
true, but you know,

981
00:53:43,140 --> 00:53:47,493
there's a couple of Jacks in my life.

982
00:53:49,018 --> 00:53:52,083
It's an old story when I was a kid,

983
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,259
he used to be able to save money by...

984
00:53:58,259 --> 00:54:01,360
My dad was making a
driving trip somewhere.

985
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,630
He would call my mom person to person.

986
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:07,560
This is back in the day, and say,

987
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,467
and she would pick up the
phone and it would say,

988
00:54:09,467 --> 00:54:12,533
"We have a person to person
call from Jack Hodder.

989
00:54:14,337 --> 00:54:16,560
"Will you accept the charges?"

990
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,780
And she'd say, "No."

991
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:21,840
And then hang up, so there was
no charge for the phone call,

992
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,540
but that would indicate that my dad

993
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:25,558
got to where he was going.

994
00:54:25,558 --> 00:54:28,550
So that shows fuckin' my age, I guess.

995
00:54:28,550 --> 00:54:30,890
But that was one of the
Jacks, and then, you know,

996
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:32,290
my roommate for years

997
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:35,800
was named Jack also.

998
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,453
So I was trying to see
if I could, you know,

999
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:41,370
get it narrowed down to,

1000
00:54:41,370 --> 00:54:44,650
if it, in fact, was referring
to somebody in my life,

1001
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:47,064
I wanted to see if it was one of them.

1002
00:54:47,064 --> 00:54:48,750
- I don't have any Jack.

1003
00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:50,190
- I don't either.

1004
00:54:50,190 --> 00:54:53,210
- Jackson?
- No, but I wasn't there.

1005
00:54:53,210 --> 00:54:54,710
Is your dad still alive?

1006
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:55,920
- No.

1007
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,760
- He died before I even became successful

1008
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,410
at my stunt career, unfortunately, so.

1009
00:55:02,410 --> 00:55:06,787
- [Man] I mean, if that
is his way of saying,

1010
00:55:06,787 --> 00:55:09,830
"I've made it, I'm safe?"

1011
00:55:09,830 --> 00:55:11,410
- [Woman] Or, "I'm watching you work."

1012
00:55:11,410 --> 00:55:13,460
- Oh, you know, I didn't
even fucking think of that.

1013
00:55:13,460 --> 00:55:15,830
- Oh my God, it's touching.
- Is there any other words

1014
00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:17,540
that were said, 'cause I know it said war,

1015
00:55:17,540 --> 00:55:20,310
and it said--
- Well, my dad was in the war.

1016
00:55:20,310 --> 00:55:21,293
- Was he?
- Yeah.

1017
00:55:22,330 --> 00:55:24,040
He was wounded.
- It said a lot of things,

1018
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,730
I think, that were really directed at you.

1019
00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:28,227
- Could be, you know, I mean,

1020
00:55:28,227 --> 00:55:31,163
I don't want to try and
make everything fit.

1021
00:55:32,090 --> 00:55:34,010
- I feel like maybe you've been trying

1022
00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:36,363
to talk to Kane while we've been here.

1023
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,800
Is there something you
would like to say to him?

1024
00:55:43,870 --> 00:55:45,207
- I'm willing to listen.

1025
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,193
Open-minded, tell me anything.

1026
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,593
- [Amanda] Jack.

1027
00:55:59,090 --> 00:56:01,170
- What?
- Jack.

1028
00:56:01,170 --> 00:56:03,270
- Does that mean anything to you?

1029
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:04,103
- Yeah.

1030
00:56:10,550 --> 00:56:12,593
Which Jack are you referring to?

1031
00:56:15,064 --> 00:56:16,314
- [Amanda] War.

1032
00:56:17,338 --> 00:56:18,171
- War.
- War?

1033
00:56:25,580 --> 00:56:27,140
- [Amanda] Out loud.

1034
00:56:27,140 --> 00:56:27,973
- Out loud.

1035
00:56:35,290 --> 00:56:37,960
- Crossover, faster--

1036
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,590
- [Amanda] Mary.

1037
00:56:39,590 --> 00:56:40,830
- What was that?
- Mary.

1038
00:56:40,830 --> 00:56:42,070
- Mary.

1039
00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:43,730
Yeah, I didn't even think of the fact

1040
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:46,230
that it could be him saying, "I'm good."

1041
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:47,990
Why is it directed toward me

1042
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:49,600
when she's the one in the hot seat?

1043
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,260
- Yeah.
- 'Cause I'm, I mean,

1044
00:56:51,260 --> 00:56:53,233
I could easily just be the conduit.

1045
00:56:55,290 --> 00:57:00,010
In my career, it's often
had nothing to do with me.

1046
00:57:00,010 --> 00:57:03,130
As the natural flow,
you kind of tend to be

1047
00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:04,930
a little more centered,
at least than the rest--

1048
00:57:04,930 --> 00:57:06,740
- I wonder why that would be that,

1049
00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:08,670
that maybe I haven't been

1050
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:11,600
doing this stuff that much.

1051
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,690
I mean, I have with my group,
but not to this extent.

1052
00:57:15,690 --> 00:57:17,290
- When you first came, you said,

1053
00:57:17,290 --> 00:57:18,620
we talked a lot about the fact

1054
00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:21,480
that stuff tends to stop
happening when you're around.

1055
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,410
- Right.
- Things don't happen.

1056
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:26,483
And maybe that kind of opened
you up as a beacon this time.

1057
00:57:27,550 --> 00:57:28,933
- Oh, you think it's not gonna happen!

1058
00:57:28,933 --> 00:57:30,379
- Yeah, right.
- But watch this!

1059
00:57:30,379 --> 00:57:31,810
- Yeah, right, exactly.

1060
00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:34,400
'Cause I know a lot of
paranormal investigators

1061
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,910
that go off in search of

1062
00:57:36,910 --> 00:57:41,093
the "It" happening and the
full bodied apparition,

1063
00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:44,120
having an Ovilus talk to you.

1064
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,030
And I know that you say
that you really didn't

1065
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:50,190
take too much from it, but
that was a lot directed at you.

1066
00:57:50,190 --> 00:57:53,033
- I just wish it wasn't so much that,

1067
00:57:53,033 --> 00:57:55,170
I mean, I guess it's only natural

1068
00:57:55,170 --> 00:57:58,320
that there's stuff that
seems to be meaningless.

1069
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,720
Words that keep repeating,

1070
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,682
like Elle came up a couple times.

1071
00:58:01,682 --> 00:58:04,371
- [Man] Yeah, it did
come up a couple times.

1072
00:58:04,371 --> 00:58:07,320
- But you know, if every
time you got on that,

1073
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,960
if the experience was
like black and white,

1074
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,480
then what would be the
point of doing this?

1075
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,472
- I'd probably think it was real then.

1076
00:58:14,472 --> 00:58:15,810
- Exactly, it'd be too obvious.

1077
00:58:15,810 --> 00:58:18,130
So I mean, either way you look at it.

1078
00:58:18,130 --> 00:58:20,270
- My dad died in 1980,

1079
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:23,190
and I didn't become

1080
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:27,980
where I could make a living
at doing stunts until '85.

1081
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:30,400
I always credit my wife for,

1082
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,540
when I met her, my career
started taking off.

1083
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:34,750
Truly, truly.

1084
00:58:34,750 --> 00:58:38,810
And then then three years after we met,

1085
00:58:38,810 --> 00:58:40,300
then I did the Jason thing.

1086
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:44,130
And every thing obviously
catapulted from there.

1087
00:58:44,130 --> 00:58:45,670
But you know,

1088
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:49,730
he never got to see any
of my success while here.

1089
00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:52,810
I know people always say,
"Well, he's seen it after he,"

1090
00:58:52,810 --> 00:58:54,650
I know, but it'd be nice

1091
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:56,562
that he saw it when he was fuckin' here.

1092
00:58:56,562 --> 00:58:58,490
- [Man] I don't know, I mean,
that's really touching to me

1093
00:58:58,490 --> 00:59:01,437
if that's his code to say, "I made it."

1094
00:59:01,437 --> 00:59:03,610
- "I made it okay!"

1095
00:59:03,610 --> 00:59:05,227
- I'm surprised I didn't
even consider that.

1096
00:59:05,227 --> 00:59:06,377
- [Man] That's the first
thing I thought of--

1097
00:59:06,377 --> 00:59:09,023
- I just thought about
the Jack Hodder thing.

1098
00:59:10,044 --> 00:59:14,910
And I have never told the
Jack Hodder story anywhere

1099
00:59:14,910 --> 00:59:16,300
because it's meaningless, really.

1100
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:18,790
Why would I, like in the
documentary and stuff?

1101
00:59:18,790 --> 00:59:22,140
I wouldn't talk about that
because nobody gives a shit.

1102
00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:25,510
But you know, so it's not like some,

1103
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:29,900
somebody was trying to make
that into something, you know?

1104
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:31,210
- All right, so we decided to do

1105
00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:33,430
this experiment in the ballroom.

1106
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:36,960
We've got the SLS camera again,
it makes the humanoid forms.

1107
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,220
And we were told that if you play

1108
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,990
music from particular eras,
that there's more activity,

1109
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:46,670
lights will flicker, things will move,

1110
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:48,260
the curtains will sway,
that sort of thing.

1111
00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:52,250
So we decided to put the
music on with a speaker,

1112
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:55,910
turn it up, kind of recreate
that natural environment

1113
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:58,010
of what would happen in that ballroom

1114
00:59:58,010 --> 01:00:00,820
and just see if we could
catch something on SLS.

1115
01:00:00,820 --> 01:00:03,680
And the reason we did this was because

1116
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,350
the odds of seeing it with
the naked eye, slim to none,

1117
01:00:06,350 --> 01:00:07,920
you know, we can take still shots.

1118
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,770
We are not likely to catch anything.

1119
01:00:10,770 --> 01:00:12,960
A regular video camera is
not going to catch anything,

1120
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,520
but with this SLS camera,

1121
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,130
it gives us this
opportunity because it will,

1122
01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:20,270
and it's job is to try and
catch these humanoid forms.

1123
01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:21,840
So it was a good opportunity

1124
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,500
to see if we could catch
somebody reacting to the music.

1125
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:27,930
And this residual stuff
that's happening here,

1126
01:00:27,930 --> 01:00:30,480
it could trigger that to start up.

1127
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,570
And so we go in and turn the music on.

1128
01:00:34,570 --> 01:00:37,010
Mark asks Maeve to dance.

1129
01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:38,590
And so, they go out on the dance floor,

1130
01:00:38,590 --> 01:00:42,430
and they're slow dancing,
and to the right of them,

1131
01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:44,770
a humanoid shape forms.

1132
01:00:44,770 --> 01:00:49,010
And it literally bounces
it shoulders to the beat.

1133
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:52,390
It's swaying and dancing with
them, it's moving its leg.

1134
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:55,290
They would go to the left,
it would go with them.

1135
01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:56,950
Really, one of the coolest things

1136
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:59,723
I have personally seen as
a paranormal investigator.

1137
01:01:02,607 --> 01:01:04,690
(laughing)

1138
01:01:04,690 --> 01:01:05,890
It danced with you.

1139
01:01:05,890 --> 01:01:06,790
- [Maeve] Did it?!

1140
01:01:08,220 --> 01:01:09,820
- [Amanda] Now it's gone.

1141
01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:11,520
Do you see that, now it's gone.

1142
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:12,573
Oh, it's still there.

1143
01:01:14,010 --> 01:01:15,220
- [Maeve] Oh, it's on the ground.

1144
01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:16,674
- [Man] This place has
made you wanna dance?

1145
01:01:16,674 --> 01:01:17,757
- [Mark] Yep.

1146
01:01:32,061 --> 01:01:34,140
- We all need time.

1147
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:35,760
Okay, that could be the last autograph

1148
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,730
I ever sign, so keep this.

1149
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:39,910
- [Mark] I will, you know I will.

1150
01:01:41,260 --> 01:01:42,093
- Let's go.

1151
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,660
This, according to everyone's experience,

1152
01:01:47,660 --> 01:01:51,040
and according to the owner

1153
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,710
and the people that work here,

1154
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:56,300
this is where the worst feelings

1155
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:59,180
are given and gotten.

1156
01:01:59,180 --> 01:02:01,046
So that's why I want to go by myself.

1157
01:02:01,046 --> 01:02:03,110
- [Man] You're physically,

1158
01:02:03,110 --> 01:02:04,420
Amanda, you're nervous right now

1159
01:02:04,420 --> 01:02:05,957
and see, you're fidgeting,
what's going on in your mind?

1160
01:02:05,957 --> 01:02:07,220
- I'm just, I'm nervous.

1161
01:02:07,220 --> 01:02:10,267
I mean, I've, I've kind of,
don't have the best feeling.

1162
01:02:10,267 --> 01:02:11,163
- [Man] About Kane going in there?

1163
01:02:11,163 --> 01:02:13,570
- Just about this whole, you know,

1164
01:02:13,570 --> 01:02:15,813
little experiment that
we're doing right now.

1165
01:02:17,459 --> 01:02:18,709
- We'll see what happens.

1166
01:02:23,785 --> 01:02:26,003
It's pretty fuckin' weird
in here, I'll say that.

1167
01:02:27,008 --> 01:02:29,258
(rattling)

1168
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,123
This is a suffocating
place, I'll say that.

1169
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:38,929
Pushed.

1170
01:02:38,929 --> 01:02:40,770
(laughing)

1171
01:02:40,770 --> 01:02:43,730
Now that's a little weird, I mean,

1172
01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:45,630
you may have noticed,

1173
01:02:45,630 --> 01:02:48,700
I kind of lost my balance for a second,

1174
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:50,820
just looking around, and right then,

1175
01:02:50,820 --> 01:02:55,820
the Ovilus said pushed, so
that's a little coincidental.

1176
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:58,883
Hopefully that shows on this camera.

1177
01:03:04,030 --> 01:03:04,863
Pushed.

1178
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:09,160
Pushed.

1179
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:09,993
Okay.

1180
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:11,923
So.

1181
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,200
I've been in a lot of locations

1182
01:03:24,117 --> 01:03:25,607
and a lot of creepy areas,

1183
01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:28,683
but this one might be the best.

1184
01:03:31,380 --> 01:03:32,340
This is where

1185
01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:37,290
the woman that works the front desk

1186
01:03:37,290 --> 01:03:40,193
said she got thrown.

1187
01:03:48,615 --> 01:03:51,191
As far as creepiness, this,

1188
01:03:51,191 --> 01:03:52,960
this is pretty much does it.

1189
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,680
I find it weird that I kinda

1190
01:03:57,690 --> 01:03:59,320
lost my balance a little bit,

1191
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,370
and then, right then, it said pushed.

1192
01:04:01,370 --> 01:04:05,640
So it could be coincidental,

1193
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,133
probably is, but it's still kind of odd.

1194
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,370
Just showing around, boy, it's so dark.

1195
01:04:15,370 --> 01:04:18,023
I can't see anything in here, really.

1196
01:04:19,590 --> 01:04:23,210
A couple of windows, but
almost no light comes in.

1197
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:27,170
Just a storage room, but
the owner, and employees,

1198
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:30,250
and everybody else say this is where

1199
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:33,310
they feel the least
comfortable in the whole place.

1200
01:04:33,310 --> 01:04:36,190
So of course,

1201
01:04:36,190 --> 01:04:38,310
I always like to go

1202
01:04:38,310 --> 01:04:40,770
to the most uncomfortable place

1203
01:04:40,770 --> 01:04:42,090
by myself.

1204
01:04:42,090 --> 01:04:44,963
It's the only way to ever feel,

1205
01:04:46,420 --> 01:04:48,080
you know,

1206
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,670
uncomfortable, is to go
somewhere by yourself.

1207
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:54,160
Nobody is anywhere near me now.

1208
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,173
They all left this part of the building.

1209
01:04:57,770 --> 01:05:00,510
So just,

1210
01:05:00,510 --> 01:05:02,670
I'm going to just be quiet for a moment,

1211
01:05:02,670 --> 01:05:04,220
and see if I can hear anything.

1212
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,150
If anybody's here and would like

1213
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:10,023
to make their presence known,

1214
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:13,913
go ahead.

1215
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:20,350
I'm not here to disturb anybody,

1216
01:05:20,350 --> 01:05:22,553
I'm just here to
communicate if you want to.

1217
01:05:35,245 --> 01:05:37,662
It's extremely quiet in here.

1218
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:40,840
If you hear a creek, it's just me,

1219
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,313
all the floors are wood.

1220
01:05:43,679 --> 01:05:45,179
I'm going to sit for a minute.

1221
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,993
Hopefully that doesn't
affect the body cam badly.

1222
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,663
Oop, it just said something.

1223
01:05:59,060 --> 01:06:00,480
None.

1224
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:01,593
N-O-N-E.

1225
01:06:09,030 --> 01:06:10,053
And halo.

1226
01:06:13,290 --> 01:06:15,120
I'm trying to figure out where
that light's coming from,

1227
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,400
I dunno.

1228
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,033
Just a tiny bit of light.

1229
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:21,953
It's like it's reflecting.

1230
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,513
None and halo.

1231
01:06:34,350 --> 01:06:37,723
Not sure what that's
supposed to mean, but.

1232
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:43,753
So.

1233
01:06:46,350 --> 01:06:47,620
Anyone here

1234
01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:50,920
like to make your presence known,

1235
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,243
or say something, or make a noise,

1236
01:06:56,090 --> 01:06:57,247
I'm here for you.

1237
01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:18,183
People know that anytime
I do an investigation,

1238
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,253
I gotta go in the
scariest place by myself.

1239
01:07:24,370 --> 01:07:28,180
It's the only way to
really feel the discomfort.

1240
01:07:28,180 --> 01:07:29,350
If you have somebody with you,

1241
01:07:29,350 --> 01:07:30,820
there's a companionship,

1242
01:07:30,820 --> 01:07:34,650
and you don't feel like
anything could happen

1243
01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:36,050
because somebody's with you.

1244
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:40,113
But when you're by yourself,

1245
01:07:41,260 --> 01:07:44,223
and everybody has
completely left the area,

1246
01:07:47,130 --> 01:07:48,743
that's when it feels creepy.

1247
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:58,063
Not a single noise.

1248
01:08:03,027 --> 01:08:04,840
I'm not sure it's a smart idea,

1249
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:09,270
but I'm going to try and walk
around in here a little bit.

1250
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:11,893
The only light I have is this,

1251
01:08:12,802 --> 01:08:15,340
IR light on the camera

1252
01:08:15,340 --> 01:08:18,253
and a slight bit of light from this.

1253
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:21,962
Hopefully I don't bust
my ass on something, but,

1254
01:08:23,170 --> 01:08:24,729
I want to see if I can,

1255
01:08:24,729 --> 01:08:27,050
if there's a way to walk around in here.

1256
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:28,490
Oh my God.

1257
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:30,430
I'm going to turn this
away from me for a second.

1258
01:08:30,430 --> 01:08:32,503
So I have some kind of light.

1259
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,032
Oh, here we go.

1260
01:08:38,032 --> 01:08:39,413
I can go over here.

1261
01:08:50,740 --> 01:08:53,393
Oops, sorry, that was me.

1262
01:09:07,576 --> 01:09:12,408
I see a tiny bit of light
coming through the window there.

1263
01:09:21,610 --> 01:09:22,702
Man this is not...

1264
01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:31,420
Much easier to walk around in
here in the daytime for sure.

1265
01:09:31,420 --> 01:09:33,990
Let me see what's on the other side.

1266
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:34,823
If anything.

1267
01:09:44,522 --> 01:09:46,854
I'm not sure what's in here.

1268
01:09:54,110 --> 01:09:56,190
Old ass furniture, what is this?

1269
01:10:10,083 --> 01:10:11,889
I don't think I should go over there.

1270
01:10:11,889 --> 01:10:13,523
It looks like shit could fall.

1271
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,620
Anybody in this part of the room,

1272
01:10:26,620 --> 01:10:28,043
like to say anything to me?

1273
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,430
Give me some kind of
sign that you're here.

1274
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:40,910
Not a space where you
feel real comfortable.

1275
01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:41,743
That's for sure.

1276
01:10:47,150 --> 01:10:52,150
According to everybody that
lives here or knows this place,

1277
01:10:54,353 --> 01:10:56,303
this is where all the bad shit happens.

1278
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,112
So.

1279
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:05,780
Let me hear something.

1280
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:11,900
Say something through this, do something.

1281
01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:13,950
Just let me know you're here, that's all.

1282
01:11:15,852 --> 01:11:18,973
I'm not looking for a fight,
I'm just looking for evidence.

1283
01:11:20,809 --> 01:11:22,623
I'd like to tell people you're here,

1284
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,510
and that you tried to say
something to me or something.

1285
01:11:40,780 --> 01:11:42,430
Maybe I'll try sitting once more.

1286
01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:52,943
Anyone want to make their
presence known before I leave?

1287
01:12:16,244 --> 01:12:18,161
I'm just blocking this.

1288
01:12:22,110 --> 01:12:24,200
This IR light, because I thought I saw

1289
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,170
something move over there,
but it's hard to tell,

1290
01:12:27,170 --> 01:12:28,920
'cause this light doesn't seem bright,

1291
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,780
but it is when you're looking.

1292
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:31,757
I'm just gonna look again,

1293
01:12:31,757 --> 01:12:33,457
I'm just blocking it for a second.

1294
01:12:48,210 --> 01:12:51,112
Slight noise over in
that same direction, but,

1295
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,860
not really that loud.

1296
01:12:57,860 --> 01:13:00,610
Happens to be from the same
area where I thought I saw.

1297
01:13:09,690 --> 01:13:12,240
That time, it seemed like
I did see something move.

1298
01:13:15,795 --> 01:13:20,012
Anybody here?

1299
01:13:30,713 --> 01:13:33,463
(ghoul laughing)

1300
01:13:44,373 --> 01:13:48,373
I'm just going to cover
this again for a second.

1301
01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:06,763
Nothing else.

1302
01:14:40,020 --> 01:14:41,112
Anyone here?

1303
01:14:48,309 --> 01:14:50,163
Anyone behind me?

1304
01:14:57,709 --> 01:15:00,791
I think I'm covering up the body cam.

1305
01:15:03,059 --> 01:15:04,463
I'll stand up again.

1306
01:15:26,852 --> 01:15:28,680
That's interesting.

1307
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,493
It said direction.

1308
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:34,723
And then hiped hop.

1309
01:15:35,860 --> 01:15:39,593
Hiped, H-I-P-E-D H-O-P, hiped hop.

1310
01:15:40,871 --> 01:15:42,523
Are you're trying to tell me something?

1311
01:15:45,100 --> 01:15:46,940
Direction.

1312
01:15:46,940 --> 01:15:49,719
What did you mean by direction?

1313
01:15:49,719 --> 01:15:52,253
Which direction do you want me to face?

1314
01:15:53,112 --> 01:15:53,946
Here?

1315
01:15:57,905 --> 01:15:58,737
Here?

1316
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:03,623
Here?

1317
01:16:09,010 --> 01:16:09,843
Here?

1318
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,993
Not sure what you'd like me to do.

1319
01:16:22,660 --> 01:16:24,770
I think I'm going to
slowly make my way out,

1320
01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:28,323
but if you would rather me not leave,

1321
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:30,683
just let me know.

1322
01:16:36,930 --> 01:16:39,070
Sorry, I have to use the IR light

1323
01:16:42,050 --> 01:16:43,323
to see where I'm going.

1324
01:16:47,420 --> 01:16:51,793
Over in this area is where I
thought I saw something move,

1325
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,653
but oops, that was me.

1326
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,112
Well.

1327
01:17:11,139 --> 01:17:12,323
I'm at the door.

1328
01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:15,873
One last look.

1329
01:17:25,327 --> 01:17:26,745
- [Ovilus] Daddy.

1330
01:17:29,562 --> 01:17:32,380
- I think you probably heard that.

1331
01:17:32,380 --> 01:17:33,523
It said, daddy.

1332
01:17:35,670 --> 01:17:38,313
Well, hmm.

1333
01:17:55,900 --> 01:18:00,093
If you don't want me to leave, please.

1334
01:18:02,974 --> 01:18:04,300
(laughing)

1335
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:05,633
Oh, that's pretty good.

1336
01:18:07,020 --> 01:18:09,773
It said, scared.

1337
01:18:11,260 --> 01:18:13,100
Not sure about this, but if you could

1338
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:16,430
make a noise that would reinforce

1339
01:18:18,180 --> 01:18:19,913
my feeling like you're in here.

1340
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:29,803
Total silence again.

1341
01:18:33,950 --> 01:18:35,300
Just want to say once again,

1342
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:38,950
thank you for allowing me in here.

1343
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:40,362
I do appreciate it,

1344
01:18:44,289 --> 01:18:45,943
and I wish the best for you,

1345
01:18:47,780 --> 01:18:48,973
whatever that is.

1346
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:51,133
I do.

1347
01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:56,933
Goodbye.

1348
01:18:58,090 --> 01:19:03,070
I've been doing investigations
for, you know, geez.

1349
01:19:03,070 --> 01:19:06,330
I don't even know how
many years, a long time.

1350
01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:08,920
And as I said, all over the place,

1351
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,000
and even when I go somewhere

1352
01:19:13,570 --> 01:19:15,360
to shoot a film,

1353
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,730
if I know of a place that supposedly

1354
01:19:17,730 --> 01:19:20,530
has some paranormal history,

1355
01:19:20,530 --> 01:19:22,960
I'll try and go over there by myself,

1356
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,910
not even telling anyone
that I was doing it.

1357
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:27,950
And not necessarily with equipment,

1358
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:31,163
but just to see if I
could experience anything.

1359
01:19:32,190 --> 01:19:35,023
So I really never have.

1360
01:19:39,210 --> 01:19:43,300
I would have to say that this location

1361
01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:46,223
is for me, personally,

1362
01:19:47,210 --> 01:19:49,500
the most

1363
01:19:52,190 --> 01:19:54,010
activity, I guess you could say,

1364
01:19:54,010 --> 01:19:56,323
that I've witnessed.

1365
01:19:59,198 --> 01:20:01,910
and going into that,

1366
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:05,030
you know, room that nobody wants to go in,

1367
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:09,133
where I was by myself last night,

1368
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,910
I almost never feel uncomfortable.

1369
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,223
I just feel like, maybe,

1370
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,380
uncomfortable because of the
temperature or something,

1371
01:20:24,380 --> 01:20:26,670
but last night in that room,

1372
01:20:26,670 --> 01:20:29,153
when you go in a room, and of course,

1373
01:20:31,425 --> 01:20:35,260
the stories you've heard
about it play into that.

1374
01:20:35,260 --> 01:20:38,670
When the woman that
works the front desk here

1375
01:20:38,670 --> 01:20:42,550
says she was thrown in that room.

1376
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:44,683
And when you ask her about it,

1377
01:20:45,809 --> 01:20:46,643
you know,

1378
01:20:47,540 --> 01:20:50,480
you can tell, she's
not making the shit up.

1379
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:54,660
So when somebody looks
right into your face

1380
01:20:54,660 --> 01:20:56,857
and says, "I was thrown,"

1381
01:20:58,110 --> 01:21:01,907
that's pretty hard to just blow off as,

1382
01:21:01,907 --> 01:21:04,380
"Ah, come on," it couldn't have happened.

1383
01:21:04,380 --> 01:21:07,963
Because she hit the ground
for some reason, so.

1384
01:21:09,930 --> 01:21:11,360
You hear stories like that,

1385
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,750
and that sets the tone
for you going in there.

1386
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:20,750
And most people don't want to
go in that room by themselves.

1387
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:22,930
So that's why I like to do that.

1388
01:21:22,930 --> 01:21:23,763
I'm

1389
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,500
of the opinion that you
can never really, truly

1390
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:33,309
be uncomfortable in an investigation

1391
01:21:33,309 --> 01:21:37,340
until you go to the
worst place by yourself

1392
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:40,070
and with no lights on.

1393
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:43,460
I just had an IR camera, a body cam,

1394
01:21:43,460 --> 01:21:44,969
no light in there at all.

1395
01:21:44,969 --> 01:21:47,893
And I was in there for 32 minutes.

1396
01:21:51,378 --> 01:21:52,760
I have to say

1397
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,480
that was the least comfortable

1398
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:59,593
I've ever been in a location, ever.

1399
01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:03,300
Because most of the time I
just sit there, and like,

1400
01:22:04,177 --> 01:22:07,097
"Okay, well, this is the
same old thing again.

1401
01:22:07,097 --> 01:22:10,920
"It's dark, it's quiet, okay."

1402
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:14,702
But something about that
room was different for me.

1403
01:22:17,538 --> 01:22:19,938
I guess maybe it sounds
weird, but I enjoyed it.

1404
01:22:21,116 --> 01:22:22,559
(laughing)

1405
01:22:22,559 --> 01:22:25,070
I mean, I make a living
trying to scare people,

1406
01:22:25,070 --> 01:22:28,153
so it's kind of fun for
me to be uncomfortable.

1407
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,623
(creepy music)