1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:07,792 --> 00:01:10,376 - I think it's at least double what it's been in the past 4 00:01:10,667 --> 00:01:12,876 and as we expected there's a new militancy 5 00:01:13,167 --> 00:01:14,834 in the gay movement and it's here today. 6 00:01:15,126 --> 00:01:16,042 - Two weeks is all, you know, 7 00:01:16,334 --> 00:01:17,209 I ain't prejudice nothing like that, 8 00:01:17,501 --> 00:01:18,334 but when they come in the streets 9 00:01:18,626 --> 00:01:19,792 and messing with normal people, 10 00:01:20,084 --> 00:01:21,126 then there's something different. 11 00:01:21,417 --> 00:01:25,376 - I'm surprised to see so many women in the parade 12 00:01:26,334 --> 00:01:30,584 that after all you can recognize the men more or less, 13 00:01:30,876 --> 00:01:33,667 but from looking at the women there must be an awful lot 14 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,001 that we don't know about. 15 00:01:36,292 --> 00:01:38,584 - I have two beautiful children, both boys, 16 00:01:38,876 --> 00:01:40,501 seven and nine years old. 17 00:01:40,792 --> 00:01:41,917 If they grow up to be gay, 18 00:01:42,209 --> 00:01:44,501 I'll love them as much as I love them now. 19 00:01:44,792 --> 00:01:46,042 - I think they're nuts. 20 00:01:46,334 --> 00:01:47,667 - Well, we have to fight for what's right on earth, 21 00:01:47,959 --> 00:01:50,292 the Christ writes on earth and we are here. 22 00:01:50,584 --> 00:01:54,001 We wanna help the homosexuals to live the right way. 23 00:01:54,292 --> 00:01:55,167 The way Christ tells, 24 00:01:55,459 --> 00:01:56,751 the way of the Bible. 25 00:01:57,042 --> 00:01:57,626 We are sympathetic, 26 00:01:57,917 --> 00:01:58,876 we understand they have a problem, 27 00:01:59,167 --> 00:02:01,542 but we want them to be cured. 28 00:02:01,834 --> 00:02:03,709 We don't want them to go on living in sin. 29 00:02:04,001 --> 00:02:04,584 - Gay people are learning 30 00:02:04,876 --> 00:02:07,834 that they are oppressed no matter what their jobs are, 31 00:02:08,126 --> 00:02:09,709 what their roles are in society. 32 00:02:10,001 --> 00:02:11,834 That when there are laws passed against gays, 33 00:02:12,126 --> 00:02:14,001 they're passed against all gays. 34 00:02:14,292 --> 00:02:17,084 - And we represent the Human Life Amendment Group, 35 00:02:17,376 --> 00:02:18,167 we're fighting abortion. 36 00:02:18,459 --> 00:02:19,251 Why support Anita Bryant, 37 00:02:19,542 --> 00:02:20,459 so that's exactly how I feel, 38 00:02:20,751 --> 00:02:22,292 I'm not for gay rights. 39 00:02:22,584 --> 00:02:23,459 - As far as you can see honey, 40 00:02:23,751 --> 00:02:24,417 it's all the way back there. 41 00:02:24,709 --> 00:02:26,376 We got it together this year, 42 00:02:26,667 --> 00:02:28,751 no more Gay County for us honey, no more. 43 00:02:29,042 --> 00:02:33,084 - This act discriminates from them certain jobs, 44 00:02:33,376 --> 00:02:35,626 just like a Hector Sexual who might molest the child, 45 00:02:35,917 --> 00:02:38,126 he will be discriminated from minding my children. 46 00:02:38,417 --> 00:02:40,584 Gays rape children, gays are in the court authority 47 00:02:40,876 --> 00:02:42,501 picking up boys and girls all the time. 48 00:02:42,792 --> 00:02:43,917 - They gotta do more than just come out 49 00:02:44,209 --> 00:02:45,792 when it's easy like this on Gay Day, 50 00:02:46,084 --> 00:02:47,167 this is, you know, a sign of gay power. 51 00:02:47,459 --> 00:02:49,209 What we can do if we all get together, 52 00:02:49,501 --> 00:02:50,292 but we so rarely do this, 53 00:02:50,584 --> 00:02:51,584 we gotta do it more often. 54 00:02:51,876 --> 00:02:52,626 - I think it's disgusting. 55 00:02:52,917 --> 00:02:54,501 If they wanna live that way, fine, 56 00:02:54,792 --> 00:02:56,292 but why push it down my throat? 57 00:02:56,584 --> 00:02:58,001 - The only way sometimes you can get certain rights 58 00:02:58,292 --> 00:03:00,542 is by demonstrating and this is probably 59 00:03:00,834 --> 00:03:01,626 the best way to demonstrate. 60 00:03:01,917 --> 00:03:04,626 - I'm 70 years old and when I was growing up 61 00:03:04,917 --> 00:03:05,959 I never saw this. 62 00:03:06,251 --> 00:03:09,209 And thank God I have no children of this age 63 00:03:09,501 --> 00:03:13,001 that I have that would see a thing like this. 64 00:03:13,292 --> 00:03:14,376 - The reason that we're staying in the church 65 00:03:14,667 --> 00:03:16,667 is to protest it's policies against gay people. 66 00:03:16,959 --> 00:03:18,042 The Archdiocese of New York especially, 67 00:03:18,334 --> 00:03:19,792 since they've always been instrumental 68 00:03:20,084 --> 00:03:21,501 in defeating the Gay Rights Bill. 69 00:03:21,792 --> 00:03:22,751 - We respect men's rights, 70 00:03:23,042 --> 00:03:26,376 but homosexuality is condemned by Christ in the Bible, 71 00:03:26,667 --> 00:03:28,001 it's an unnatural way of living. 72 00:03:28,292 --> 00:03:29,751 And while God loves the sinner, 73 00:03:30,042 --> 00:03:32,501 he opposed the sin of homosexuality. 74 00:03:32,792 --> 00:03:33,751 It is a sickness and we believe 75 00:03:34,042 --> 00:03:36,251 there's a divine physician also. 76 00:03:36,542 --> 00:03:38,167 There's Christ and there's religion. 77 00:03:38,459 --> 00:03:39,709 And if more young people, 78 00:03:40,001 --> 00:03:42,042 all ages, heterosexual and otherwise, 79 00:03:42,334 --> 00:03:43,501 were taught what God wants 80 00:03:43,792 --> 00:03:45,042 and the way we're supposed to live, 81 00:03:45,334 --> 00:03:47,042 but they're not getting it in the schools today. 82 00:03:47,334 --> 00:03:48,292 Gay rights now! 83 00:03:48,584 --> 00:03:49,751 Gay right now! 84 00:03:50,042 --> 00:03:51,376 Gay rights now! 85 00:03:51,667 --> 00:03:52,917 Gay rights now! 86 00:03:53,209 --> 00:03:54,501 Gay rights now! 87 00:03:54,792 --> 00:03:55,792 Gay rights now! 88 00:03:59,834 --> 00:04:00,834 - You mind talking? 89 00:04:01,126 --> 00:04:03,501 - No, I came just because it was interesting. 90 00:04:03,792 --> 00:04:04,501 Human interest. 91 00:04:04,792 --> 00:04:08,126 I'm sympathetic to the Gay Movement, that's all. 92 00:04:08,417 --> 00:04:09,042 - Okay. 93 00:04:09,334 --> 00:04:10,126 - Very interesting people around. 94 00:04:10,417 --> 00:04:11,126 - Are you having a good time? 95 00:04:11,417 --> 00:04:12,376 - Sure. 96 00:04:12,667 --> 00:04:16,167 - Are you angry about what's been happening to gay people? 97 00:04:16,459 --> 00:04:18,584 - Angry, yeah angry, 98 00:04:18,876 --> 00:04:21,167 but not really vocal about it I would say. 99 00:04:21,459 --> 00:04:22,626 - You have an opportunity now, 100 00:04:22,917 --> 00:04:24,209 are you gay? 101 00:04:24,501 --> 00:04:25,126 - No. 102 00:04:25,417 --> 00:04:27,251 - Do you have any curiosity about it? 103 00:04:27,542 --> 00:04:29,209 - Yeah, naturally. 104 00:04:29,501 --> 00:04:30,542 - You think most people do? 105 00:04:30,834 --> 00:04:33,167 - I think most people do in one way or another. 106 00:04:33,459 --> 00:04:35,042 I have a lot of gay friends. 107 00:04:35,334 --> 00:04:38,459 - Well, I think when any group of people is oppressed, 108 00:04:38,751 --> 00:04:40,459 all people are oppressed. 109 00:04:40,751 --> 00:04:42,542 If any group loses its rights, 110 00:04:42,834 --> 00:04:44,542 we all lose our rights. 111 00:04:44,834 --> 00:04:47,542 Now, as you can see from my sign, 112 00:04:47,834 --> 00:04:50,959 I'm not gay and none of my family is, 113 00:04:51,251 --> 00:04:54,959 but yet it is a group who have every right 114 00:04:55,251 --> 00:04:58,084 to have their opinion, their belief, 115 00:04:58,376 --> 00:05:00,542 their private lives, 116 00:05:00,834 --> 00:05:02,251 just the way anyone else should. 117 00:05:02,542 --> 00:05:04,292 And I felt very strongly about it. 118 00:05:04,584 --> 00:05:08,042 Also, I was aroused by the disgusting campaign 119 00:05:08,334 --> 00:05:10,417 that this woman in Florida conducted. 120 00:05:10,709 --> 00:05:13,001 She had all the ultra-right raggle 121 00:05:13,292 --> 00:05:16,084 and the kooks in the world there 122 00:05:16,376 --> 00:05:19,709 and it was a very backward and reactionary thing. 123 00:05:20,001 --> 00:05:23,292 Then of course, as so many San Franciscans were, 124 00:05:23,584 --> 00:05:27,417 I was very appalled by the murder of the young man, 125 00:05:27,709 --> 00:05:29,167 that's why I came. 126 00:05:29,459 --> 00:05:31,459 - I believe in human rights. 127 00:05:31,751 --> 00:05:33,584 Every mother has a child. 128 00:05:35,334 --> 00:05:38,376 That child, she does not know whether that child 129 00:05:38,667 --> 00:05:42,001 is gonna be a homosexual or a heterosexual. 130 00:05:43,292 --> 00:05:46,834 She shouldn't ever disavow that child, 131 00:05:47,126 --> 00:05:49,542 she should love it from the moment she gives it birth 132 00:05:49,834 --> 00:05:52,709 till the moment she or the child dies. 133 00:05:53,001 --> 00:05:53,834 And none of us, 134 00:05:54,126 --> 00:05:56,501 none of us can choose, 135 00:05:56,792 --> 00:05:58,042 we grow up to a certain stage 136 00:05:58,334 --> 00:06:01,001 and somebody somewhere in our genes 137 00:06:02,417 --> 00:06:04,959 has laid down something that has decided 138 00:06:05,251 --> 00:06:08,751 ahead of our birth what we are going to be. 139 00:06:09,042 --> 00:06:11,251 But I would say just as God decides 140 00:06:11,542 --> 00:06:12,792 whether you're going to be a boy or a girl, 141 00:06:13,084 --> 00:06:14,292 he decides whether you're going 142 00:06:14,584 --> 00:06:15,376 to be a homosexual 143 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:16,501 or a heterosexual. 144 00:06:16,792 --> 00:06:17,584 - Say that we hope we get my rights that's- 145 00:06:17,876 --> 00:06:18,584 - Yeah, I hope I get my rights, 146 00:06:18,876 --> 00:06:19,626 because I won't go back in the closet. 147 00:06:19,917 --> 00:06:21,209 You know, it's like, you know, suicide. 148 00:06:21,501 --> 00:06:22,251 - Really? 149 00:06:22,542 --> 00:06:23,709 It feels like it kills you? 150 00:06:24,001 --> 00:06:24,709 - Yes, it would kill me. 151 00:06:25,001 --> 00:06:25,709 I don't think it will- 152 00:06:26,001 --> 00:06:26,834 - I'm thinking about getting married 153 00:06:27,126 --> 00:06:28,501 and I don't know if I should get married now. 154 00:06:28,792 --> 00:06:29,501 - Yeah. 155 00:06:29,792 --> 00:06:30,792 - Really today's changed your life that much? 156 00:06:31,084 --> 00:06:32,334 - It's just really changed my life. 157 00:06:32,626 --> 00:06:33,626 I don't know if I should get married now 158 00:06:33,917 --> 00:06:35,667 because I don't think I'll have my rights. 159 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:37,542 - And for the reason that I believe that 160 00:06:37,834 --> 00:06:40,542 whenever there's an attack on any group in our society, 161 00:06:40,834 --> 00:06:43,084 we all must come to their aid, 162 00:06:44,334 --> 00:06:48,292 and it's a question of human rights, not gay rights. 163 00:06:48,584 --> 00:06:52,251 And I feel that the environment in our country today 164 00:06:52,542 --> 00:06:54,834 is going a little backward. 165 00:06:55,126 --> 00:06:57,001 There's been attacks not only on gays, 166 00:06:57,292 --> 00:06:58,792 but on women's rights, 167 00:06:59,084 --> 00:07:00,209 on the abortion, 168 00:07:00,501 --> 00:07:04,084 that new legislative bit with the Supreme Court 169 00:07:04,376 --> 00:07:06,792 where poor women are going to be denied abortions 170 00:07:07,084 --> 00:07:09,876 where rich women could always get them. 171 00:07:10,167 --> 00:07:11,584 - To support our gay friends 172 00:07:11,876 --> 00:07:12,792 and all the people that we know who are gay, 173 00:07:13,084 --> 00:07:16,792 who we personally share some space and living space with 174 00:07:17,084 --> 00:07:18,709 and find no different than ourselves 175 00:07:19,001 --> 00:07:21,501 and are entitled to the same rights that we are given. 176 00:07:21,792 --> 00:07:22,501 - Are you a lesbian? 177 00:07:22,792 --> 00:07:23,501 - Yes. 178 00:07:23,792 --> 00:07:25,126 - How would you feel if your child came out to be, 179 00:07:25,417 --> 00:07:27,334 is it a boy or girl, what? 180 00:07:27,626 --> 00:07:28,334 - A girl. 181 00:07:28,626 --> 00:07:29,459 - How would you feel if she was a lesbian too? 182 00:07:29,751 --> 00:07:31,501 - That's okay, it feels okay. 183 00:07:31,792 --> 00:07:34,709 - How do you feel about being here today with her? 184 00:07:35,001 --> 00:07:36,292 - Oh, I feel really good about it, 185 00:07:36,584 --> 00:07:37,376 I like her being here. 186 00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:39,667 It's nice energy and she's really enjoying it. 187 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:41,209 - And I'm here because I would like 188 00:07:41,501 --> 00:07:43,001 to support civil rights for everyone. 189 00:07:43,292 --> 00:07:45,501 I think, you know, this is something this country 190 00:07:45,792 --> 00:07:46,834 has fought for a long time, 191 00:07:47,126 --> 00:07:48,126 and why let it go down the drain now? 192 00:07:48,417 --> 00:07:50,167 - Why did you come here today? 193 00:07:50,459 --> 00:07:52,751 - Well, we believe in human rights. 194 00:07:53,042 --> 00:07:53,751 - Are you lesbian? 195 00:07:54,042 --> 00:07:54,751 - No. 196 00:07:55,042 --> 00:07:55,751 - Are you lesbian? 197 00:07:56,042 --> 00:07:56,751 - No. 198 00:07:57,042 --> 00:07:57,751 - Why did you bring your children? 199 00:07:58,042 --> 00:07:58,959 - Well, I believe in human rights also. 200 00:07:59,251 --> 00:08:01,751 - Do you understand what gay rights is about? 201 00:08:02,042 --> 00:08:03,126 - No. 202 00:08:03,417 --> 00:08:04,459 - Are you having a good time here today? 203 00:08:04,751 --> 00:08:05,459 - Yeah. 204 00:08:05,751 --> 00:08:06,459 - Yeah but even walking around, 205 00:08:06,751 --> 00:08:07,584 like you'll notice there's, 206 00:08:07,876 --> 00:08:08,959 I mean that ratio of men to women, 207 00:08:09,251 --> 00:08:12,209 it's really, it must be 21 or 20 to three or something, 208 00:08:12,501 --> 00:08:13,792 cuz there's just a lot more men around, 209 00:08:14,084 --> 00:08:16,959 and that's, well, that's bittersweet, but it's okay. 210 00:08:17,251 --> 00:08:17,959 - Where are you from? 211 00:08:18,251 --> 00:08:19,334 - Los Angeles, California. 212 00:08:19,626 --> 00:08:20,334 - Are you gay? 213 00:08:20,626 --> 00:08:21,334 - No, I'm not gay. 214 00:08:21,626 --> 00:08:23,126 I'm here to see what gay people act, how they act. 215 00:08:23,417 --> 00:08:26,251 - And what do you think so far of the parade? 216 00:08:26,542 --> 00:08:27,667 - I think the parade is a success. 217 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:29,667 I think it's gonna have a great impact on the country, 218 00:08:29,959 --> 00:08:31,167 but in the wrong direction. 219 00:08:31,459 --> 00:08:32,417 - Why is that? 220 00:08:32,709 --> 00:08:34,792 - Because to me this means that these people 221 00:08:35,084 --> 00:08:36,209 are going in the wrong direction 222 00:08:36,501 --> 00:08:39,209 for they're not healthy in a sense. 223 00:08:42,126 --> 00:08:44,292 - But I don't know how you mean that. 224 00:08:44,584 --> 00:08:47,626 - Well, when your sex hormones are balanced properly, 225 00:08:47,917 --> 00:08:48,626 you're not a gay person. 226 00:08:48,917 --> 00:08:50,376 When your sex hormones are balanced properly, 227 00:08:50,667 --> 00:08:53,626 you'll not find this kind of growth. 228 00:08:53,917 --> 00:08:54,959 - But what does that have to do with 229 00:08:55,251 --> 00:08:57,001 the civil right of gay people to live? 230 00:08:57,292 --> 00:08:58,001 - Well, I admire- 231 00:08:58,292 --> 00:08:59,167 - Where they want to and- 232 00:08:59,459 --> 00:09:00,167 - They can do what they wish, 233 00:09:00,459 --> 00:09:01,167 but you have to understand that 234 00:09:01,459 --> 00:09:04,501 this is an accelerating genetic process 235 00:09:04,792 --> 00:09:05,792 that's taking place across the country, 236 00:09:06,084 --> 00:09:07,251 and it's not a healthy process. 237 00:09:07,542 --> 00:09:09,292 Freedom yes, but not to be healthy is another thing. 238 00:09:09,584 --> 00:09:10,792 - But if everybody isn't free, 239 00:09:11,084 --> 00:09:14,334 that means nobody is in a way, doesn't it? 240 00:09:14,626 --> 00:09:16,542 - I agree with that, concept is fine. 241 00:09:16,834 --> 00:09:18,334 Runner Barrett made a very clear coast to coast. 242 00:09:18,626 --> 00:09:19,959 They have their right for their day, 243 00:09:20,251 --> 00:09:21,376 but if the country goes this way, 244 00:09:21,667 --> 00:09:23,167 it'll be a sad day for the country. 245 00:09:23,459 --> 00:09:26,376 - Well, gay people don't want the country to go this way, 246 00:09:26,667 --> 00:09:27,917 they just want to be themselves 247 00:09:28,209 --> 00:09:30,834 and have rights like everybody else. 248 00:09:31,126 --> 00:09:32,501 - I agree with the right aspect of it, 249 00:09:32,792 --> 00:09:33,959 this has been said by many people. 250 00:09:34,251 --> 00:09:37,626 - And we're not saying that everybody is gay. 251 00:09:37,917 --> 00:09:38,626 - I'm not saying that either. 252 00:09:38,917 --> 00:09:41,876 I'm here to observe and I say this is a bad trend 253 00:09:42,167 --> 00:09:43,459 for the country, but you have your rights. 254 00:09:43,751 --> 00:09:45,501 This is freedom of the constitutional right, 255 00:09:45,792 --> 00:09:47,001 this is what I agree with 100%. 256 00:09:47,292 --> 00:09:48,501 - Oh yeah I like this parade a lot. 257 00:09:48,792 --> 00:09:50,584 There were a lot of spaces in it 258 00:09:50,876 --> 00:09:54,376 and it didn't feel all smashed together, 259 00:09:54,667 --> 00:09:56,584 it was like you could pick out different kinds of people 260 00:09:56,876 --> 00:09:58,001 and there were all different kinds of people, 261 00:09:58,292 --> 00:10:02,334 teachers and nurses and all kinds of contingents, 262 00:10:02,626 --> 00:10:03,542 that made me real proud. 263 00:10:03,834 --> 00:10:04,542 - Yeah. 264 00:10:04,834 --> 00:10:05,542 - Yeah. 265 00:10:05,834 --> 00:10:06,542 They were standing up and saying, 266 00:10:06,834 --> 00:10:08,084 saying what I believe you know, 267 00:10:08,376 --> 00:10:11,626 which is that you have to come out of the closet 268 00:10:11,917 --> 00:10:13,042 and you have to stand up and fight 269 00:10:13,334 --> 00:10:15,209 because they're gonna kill you anyway, 270 00:10:15,501 --> 00:10:16,501 you know, one way or the other. 271 00:10:16,792 --> 00:10:19,584 And this way feels a lot better than the other way. 272 00:10:19,876 --> 00:10:22,542 We're just cowering away and hiding, 273 00:10:22,834 --> 00:10:24,334 and you don't even know who your friends are, 274 00:10:24,626 --> 00:10:25,792 and this way you know who your friends are, 275 00:10:26,084 --> 00:10:26,792 you know who your enemies are, 276 00:10:27,084 --> 00:10:29,251 but at least their friends are right there, 277 00:10:29,542 --> 00:10:31,334 you know, I like that. 278 00:10:31,626 --> 00:10:32,834 - I feel wonderful about this parade. 279 00:10:33,126 --> 00:10:34,667 In all the years that I've been in them 280 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:36,376 since the first anniversary in New York, 281 00:10:36,667 --> 00:10:39,209 this one has that wonderful balance 282 00:10:39,501 --> 00:10:41,667 between a certain seriousness, 283 00:10:41,959 --> 00:10:43,584 but there's also fun to it too, 284 00:10:43,876 --> 00:10:45,084 people are having a good time. 285 00:10:45,376 --> 00:10:47,334 - I'm here from Florida 286 00:10:47,626 --> 00:10:50,251 and I want to find out how these California people 287 00:10:50,542 --> 00:10:51,917 enjoy orange juice. 288 00:10:52,209 --> 00:10:52,917 And of course- 289 00:10:53,209 --> 00:10:54,042 - Hello. 290 00:10:54,334 --> 00:10:54,917 No sound. 291 00:11:01,501 --> 00:11:03,251 The sign says it, huh? 292 00:11:10,584 --> 00:11:11,459 - You are very moved by being here? 293 00:11:11,751 --> 00:11:12,459 - I am, I really was, 294 00:11:12,751 --> 00:11:13,542 I was crying before I just got really, 295 00:11:13,834 --> 00:11:17,084 I got really turned on by seeing how many people, 296 00:11:17,376 --> 00:11:19,959 you know, were brave and weren't cowed 297 00:11:20,251 --> 00:11:22,001 by the tremendous amount of oppressive 298 00:11:22,292 --> 00:11:24,876 things that are coming down in the media 299 00:11:25,167 --> 00:11:26,917 and the kind of headlines and things 300 00:11:27,209 --> 00:11:29,084 that are making people feel uptight. 301 00:11:29,376 --> 00:11:30,376 - Yeah, I tell you one thing, 302 00:11:30,667 --> 00:11:31,834 if there is violence here today, 303 00:11:32,126 --> 00:11:33,417 you can rest assured that the media 304 00:11:33,709 --> 00:11:35,834 will jump on it and seize on it 305 00:11:36,126 --> 00:11:39,251 cuz it's sensational and that's what people 306 00:11:39,542 --> 00:11:40,417 will want to us see. 307 00:11:40,709 --> 00:11:42,251 It will be on channel two and channel five 308 00:11:42,542 --> 00:11:44,459 and channel seven and channel 11. 309 00:11:44,751 --> 00:11:45,876 - I can probably speak for all the kids 310 00:11:46,167 --> 00:11:48,042 in the United States and my brother even, 311 00:11:48,334 --> 00:11:51,459 we all believe in equal right for kids. 312 00:11:51,751 --> 00:11:52,542 - All right. 313 00:11:53,876 --> 00:11:57,542 - I think that should be made into a law too. 314 00:13:57,709 --> 00:13:58,542 - I live up in the country, 315 00:13:58,834 --> 00:13:59,542 but after I was seen the headlines 316 00:13:59,834 --> 00:14:00,751 up there in the newspaper, 317 00:14:01,042 --> 00:14:02,334 there was no way that I could stay up there, 318 00:14:02,626 --> 00:14:03,334 I had to come down. 319 00:14:03,626 --> 00:14:04,542 It really scared me. 320 00:14:04,834 --> 00:14:05,542 I talked to my mother, 321 00:14:05,834 --> 00:14:07,292 I asked her how she would've voted in Miami. 322 00:14:07,584 --> 00:14:08,334 She said she didn't know. 323 00:14:08,626 --> 00:14:10,501 She didn't like my little sister sitting on my lap. 324 00:14:10,792 --> 00:14:12,376 It makes me really angry. 325 00:14:12,667 --> 00:14:14,001 I was thinking of stealing her address book 326 00:14:14,292 --> 00:14:16,917 with all my relatives and their friends names in it 327 00:14:17,209 --> 00:14:17,917 and sending them cards, 328 00:14:18,209 --> 00:14:19,042 you know a queer too. 329 00:14:19,334 --> 00:14:20,376 You know, next time you hear a queer joke. 330 00:14:20,667 --> 00:14:22,459 I mean they could prevent me from seeing 331 00:14:22,751 --> 00:14:25,209 my brothers and sisters when they've tried to in the past. 332 00:14:25,501 --> 00:14:26,417 - I'm out of the closet everywhere, 333 00:14:26,709 --> 00:14:29,501 work, home, everywhere and it's the finest feeling 334 00:14:29,792 --> 00:14:30,917 I've ever had in my life. 335 00:14:31,209 --> 00:14:32,001 - Marching for gay rights, 336 00:14:32,292 --> 00:14:33,876 I feel like there's a strong connection 337 00:14:34,167 --> 00:14:38,834 between third world oppression and gay oppression. 338 00:14:39,126 --> 00:14:40,376 Poor people in this country. 339 00:14:40,667 --> 00:14:42,584 I think we're all feeling the same thing. 340 00:14:42,876 --> 00:14:45,001 - We're just strictly observers. 341 00:14:45,292 --> 00:14:46,001 - Are you gonna march in it? 342 00:14:46,292 --> 00:14:47,042 - No, I'm not. 343 00:14:47,334 --> 00:14:47,917 Sorry. 344 00:14:50,542 --> 00:14:54,542 - Monitoring, keeping people starting marching. 345 00:14:54,834 --> 00:14:55,751 He's watching the sides. 346 00:14:56,042 --> 00:14:59,709 - Keep making everything funnel right into Market Street. 347 00:15:00,001 --> 00:15:00,792 - Just watching. 348 00:15:01,084 --> 00:15:03,792 - I'm standing up for my rights. 349 00:15:04,084 --> 00:15:04,876 - I think it's beautiful. 350 00:15:05,167 --> 00:15:06,126 It's absolutely marvelous. 351 00:15:06,417 --> 00:15:07,292 We have straight people here. 352 00:15:07,584 --> 00:15:08,292 We have children here. 353 00:15:08,584 --> 00:15:09,292 We have families here. 354 00:15:09,584 --> 00:15:11,834 And we have a marvelous show of strength and unity 355 00:15:12,126 --> 00:15:12,834 from the gay community. 356 00:15:13,126 --> 00:15:14,376 - What are you doing in the middle of the summer though 357 00:15:14,667 --> 00:15:15,876 in San Francisco? 358 00:15:16,167 --> 00:15:17,209 - Oh, I think there's no time like the present 359 00:15:17,501 --> 00:15:19,167 to march for Human Rights. 360 00:15:19,459 --> 00:15:21,084 - Santa Claus for Human Rights? 361 00:15:21,376 --> 00:15:24,959 - Santa Claus and Children for Children's Rights. 362 00:15:25,251 --> 00:15:27,126 And I think that there's a movement in this country 363 00:15:27,417 --> 00:15:30,417 to repress the sexuality of children. 364 00:15:30,709 --> 00:15:34,626 And I think that that should be fought against. 365 00:15:34,917 --> 00:15:37,417 For this Christmas, what would you wish for 366 00:15:37,709 --> 00:15:39,626 the children of the world? 367 00:15:41,792 --> 00:15:44,042 - Tolerance for all lifestyles. 368 00:15:44,334 --> 00:15:45,084 - Thanks a lot Santa Claus. 369 00:15:45,376 --> 00:15:46,084 - You're welcome. 370 00:15:46,376 --> 00:15:47,084 Merry Christmas. 371 00:15:47,376 --> 00:15:50,209 - So I'm going to be the gay consciousness for everyone 372 00:15:50,501 --> 00:15:51,459 in San Francisco today. 373 00:15:51,751 --> 00:15:52,751 Gonna be the perfect fool. 374 00:15:53,042 --> 00:15:55,001 The parsafall, the risen prince 375 00:15:55,292 --> 00:15:56,417 so that everyone can walk into freedom 376 00:15:56,709 --> 00:15:58,042 when the day has passed. 377 00:15:58,334 --> 00:16:00,834 - Now there's the women's contingent and the motorcycles 378 00:16:01,126 --> 00:16:03,209 are gonna lead off the front of the women's contingent. 379 00:16:03,501 --> 00:16:04,542 There are at least two bike clubs. 380 00:16:04,834 --> 00:16:06,917 The Dykes on Bikes from the East Bay 381 00:16:07,209 --> 00:16:08,917 and from the city are both here 382 00:16:09,209 --> 00:16:12,542 and we're gonna be leading off the parade. 383 00:18:13,417 --> 00:18:16,417 - I grew up in a small town in northwest Kansas 384 00:18:16,709 --> 00:18:19,126 and because of this location it was impossible 385 00:18:19,417 --> 00:18:20,126 to be gay and be happy. 386 00:18:20,417 --> 00:18:25,126 So I got married and had a family and was moderately happy. 387 00:18:26,792 --> 00:18:30,209 Nothing to get excited about for 15 and a half years. 388 00:18:30,501 --> 00:18:31,751 - Did you have gay friends? 389 00:18:32,042 --> 00:18:33,834 - I did, but I didn't know it. 390 00:18:34,126 --> 00:18:34,834 - Any lovers? 391 00:18:35,126 --> 00:18:37,792 - No, none until after I came out. 392 00:18:38,084 --> 00:18:39,459 And that was in 75. 393 00:18:40,376 --> 00:18:42,626 - What caused you to come out? 394 00:18:42,917 --> 00:18:45,209 - I met a lady and talked with her 395 00:18:45,501 --> 00:18:48,084 and was able for the first time in my life 396 00:18:48,376 --> 00:18:51,834 to express my feelings without being laughed at 397 00:18:52,126 --> 00:18:54,834 or given dirty looks and I just was- 398 00:18:55,126 --> 00:18:56,542 - This in Kansas still? 399 00:18:56,834 --> 00:18:59,167 - No, this was down in Alabama for Army Reserve training. 400 00:18:59,459 --> 00:19:00,167 - Oh wow. 401 00:19:00,459 --> 00:19:03,584 - And I also have a brother that is gay. 402 00:19:04,917 --> 00:19:08,251 And this helped a lot because I could talk with him 403 00:19:08,542 --> 00:19:10,792 and I finally just decided I can't go on being miserable 404 00:19:11,084 --> 00:19:14,334 all my life so I left my husband. 405 00:19:14,626 --> 00:19:16,209 - What was the what that made you most miserable? 406 00:19:16,501 --> 00:19:19,251 - I think the lack of any total love. 407 00:19:19,542 --> 00:19:20,459 I loved my husband, 408 00:19:20,751 --> 00:19:23,001 but I wasn't in love with him 409 00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:24,917 and I don't think I was ever in love 410 00:19:25,209 --> 00:19:27,126 until he met this one. 411 00:19:27,417 --> 00:19:29,667 - When did you meet Charlotte? 412 00:19:29,959 --> 00:19:31,334 - In 1975. 413 00:19:31,626 --> 00:19:33,376 The same year I came out just a few months later 414 00:19:33,667 --> 00:19:35,959 and we've been together ever since. 415 00:19:36,251 --> 00:19:36,959 - Far out. 416 00:19:37,251 --> 00:19:37,959 How'd you meet? 417 00:19:38,251 --> 00:19:40,501 - At a bar in Wichita and we met- 418 00:19:40,792 --> 00:19:41,501 - In Wichita? 419 00:19:41,792 --> 00:19:42,501 - Yes. 420 00:19:42,792 --> 00:19:45,042 I left the town I was raised in and left my husband 421 00:19:45,334 --> 00:19:46,959 and moved to Wichita. 422 00:19:47,251 --> 00:19:50,459 - What was it like to be gay in Wichita? 423 00:19:50,751 --> 00:19:52,626 - More freedom than most places in Kansas, 424 00:19:52,917 --> 00:19:54,292 but still very suppressed. 425 00:19:54,584 --> 00:19:55,376 - Doesn't sound like much. 426 00:19:55,667 --> 00:19:56,959 - No, it wasn't much. 427 00:19:57,251 --> 00:19:59,417 And if your employers found out you were gay, 428 00:19:59,709 --> 00:20:01,084 you lost your jobs. 429 00:20:01,376 --> 00:20:02,542 - Did you lose yours ever for being gay? 430 00:20:02,834 --> 00:20:04,834 - Yes, I lost several jobs for being gay. 431 00:20:05,126 --> 00:20:06,001 She's lost jobs. 432 00:20:06,292 --> 00:20:08,001 - Let me repeat that question. 433 00:20:08,292 --> 00:20:09,001 - Okay. 434 00:20:09,292 --> 00:20:10,001 - Did you ever lose your job for being gay? 435 00:20:10,292 --> 00:20:11,001 - Yes, I did, several of them. 436 00:20:11,292 --> 00:20:12,542 If they didn't actually come right out 437 00:20:12,834 --> 00:20:14,542 and say you're gay and we don't want you, 438 00:20:14,834 --> 00:20:17,501 they would ask me if I was gay and I would say yes. 439 00:20:17,792 --> 00:20:18,917 And then they would just make the work 440 00:20:19,209 --> 00:20:21,542 so totally miserable that I would have to quit. 441 00:20:21,834 --> 00:20:22,542 - That's awful. 442 00:20:22,834 --> 00:20:24,084 - It was, yeah. 443 00:20:24,376 --> 00:20:26,626 And we decided that we had to have more freedom 444 00:20:26,917 --> 00:20:30,584 to be ourselves and we came to San Francisco. 445 00:20:30,876 --> 00:20:31,917 - You two came together to San Francisco. 446 00:20:32,209 --> 00:20:34,042 - Sold everything we owned. 447 00:20:34,334 --> 00:20:39,084 Come out here with $18 in our pocket and two suitcases. 448 00:20:39,376 --> 00:20:42,167 - Wow, that takes a lot of courage. 449 00:20:42,709 --> 00:20:43,542 - Are you gay? 450 00:20:43,834 --> 00:20:44,376 - Sure. 451 00:20:44,667 --> 00:20:45,334 - No man. 452 00:20:45,626 --> 00:20:46,876 - Depends on what you mean by gay. 453 00:20:47,334 --> 00:20:48,042 - What's happening? 454 00:20:48,626 --> 00:20:49,334 - Are you gay? 455 00:20:49,626 --> 00:20:50,334 - No. 456 00:20:50,626 --> 00:20:51,334 - I don't know. 457 00:20:51,626 --> 00:20:52,584 I don't think I can classify myself. 458 00:20:52,876 --> 00:20:54,584 - Well that's really none of your business. 459 00:20:54,876 --> 00:20:57,376 Everyone is homosexual and heterosexual in the same body. 460 00:20:57,667 --> 00:20:59,709 Everyone is male and female in the same body. 461 00:21:00,001 --> 00:21:00,751 - But am I gay? 462 00:21:01,042 --> 00:21:03,167 What do you mean by the boys gay? 463 00:21:03,459 --> 00:21:04,834 - It's what's in your head. 464 00:21:05,126 --> 00:21:05,876 - Are you gay? 465 00:21:06,167 --> 00:21:06,876 - Yes, I am. 466 00:21:07,167 --> 00:21:07,876 - Are you gay? 467 00:21:08,167 --> 00:21:08,876 - Yes, I am. 468 00:21:09,167 --> 00:21:09,876 - Are you gay? 469 00:21:10,167 --> 00:21:10,876 - Yep. 470 00:21:11,167 --> 00:21:11,876 - Are you gay? 471 00:21:12,167 --> 00:21:12,876 - Yes I am. 472 00:21:13,167 --> 00:21:13,876 - Are you gay? 473 00:21:14,167 --> 00:21:14,876 Yes. 474 00:21:15,167 --> 00:21:15,876 You? 475 00:21:16,167 --> 00:21:16,876 Yes. 476 00:21:17,167 --> 00:21:17,876 Are you gay? 477 00:21:18,167 --> 00:21:18,876 Yes. 478 00:21:19,167 --> 00:21:19,876 Are you gay? 479 00:21:20,167 --> 00:21:20,876 Having a good time? 480 00:21:21,167 --> 00:21:21,876 Are you gay? 481 00:21:22,167 --> 00:21:22,876 Yes. 482 00:21:23,167 --> 00:21:23,876 Having a good time? 483 00:21:24,167 --> 00:21:24,876 Right on. 484 00:21:25,167 --> 00:21:25,876 You bet. 485 00:21:26,167 --> 00:21:26,876 - Are you gay? 486 00:21:27,167 --> 00:21:27,876 - Why not. 487 00:21:28,167 --> 00:21:28,876 - Are you gay? 488 00:21:29,167 --> 00:21:29,876 - Yes. 489 00:21:30,167 --> 00:21:30,876 - Are you gay? 490 00:21:31,167 --> 00:21:31,876 Are you gay? 491 00:21:32,167 --> 00:21:32,876 - I definitely am gay, yes. 492 00:21:33,167 --> 00:21:33,917 - You sure? 493 00:21:34,209 --> 00:21:34,917 - I'm positive, I'm positive. 494 00:21:35,209 --> 00:21:36,501 - Yes I am. 495 00:21:36,792 --> 00:21:37,501 - Yes. 496 00:21:37,792 --> 00:21:38,501 - Oh yes. 497 00:21:38,792 --> 00:21:39,917 - Of course. 498 00:21:40,209 --> 00:21:42,709 - I consider myself a bisexual person. 499 00:21:43,001 --> 00:21:46,334 - I'm sexually turned on to men and women 500 00:21:46,626 --> 00:21:50,876 and also that I think I'm politically committed 501 00:21:51,167 --> 00:21:52,376 to men and women. 502 00:21:53,667 --> 00:21:54,501 - Yes, I am. 503 00:21:54,792 --> 00:21:55,501 - Forever? 504 00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:56,501 - Yes, forever. 505 00:21:56,792 --> 00:21:59,251 - Well, I'm a very persuasion and type 506 00:21:59,542 --> 00:22:02,501 and I don't think that popular myth should be limited 507 00:22:02,792 --> 00:22:05,084 to one particular viewpoint. 508 00:22:05,376 --> 00:22:06,084 - Yes. 509 00:22:06,376 --> 00:22:07,084 - Yes. 510 00:22:07,376 --> 00:22:09,042 - Yeah, yeah, sure. 511 00:22:09,334 --> 00:22:09,959 - No. 512 00:22:12,417 --> 00:22:13,251 - Are you straight? 513 00:22:13,542 --> 00:22:14,167 - Yeah. 514 00:22:15,209 --> 00:22:16,042 - I am. 515 00:22:16,334 --> 00:22:16,959 - No. 516 00:22:18,126 --> 00:22:18,959 - No. 517 00:22:19,251 --> 00:22:21,542 - I could be, but I haven't had any experience. 518 00:22:21,834 --> 00:22:24,917 - No well, I can't really restrict myself to just being gay. 519 00:22:25,209 --> 00:22:27,209 I'm not straight either. 520 00:22:27,501 --> 00:22:28,709 And I'm not bi really. 521 00:22:29,001 --> 00:22:30,959 I consider myself pansexual. 522 00:22:31,251 --> 00:22:31,959 - Oh yes I am. 523 00:22:32,251 --> 00:22:32,959 Today I'm more than gay, 524 00:22:33,251 --> 00:22:34,417 today I'm jubilant. 525 00:22:34,709 --> 00:22:35,292 Really. 526 00:22:36,792 --> 00:22:39,417 - Yes I've been homosexual as far back as I can remember, 527 00:22:39,709 --> 00:22:43,084 which is a long way back cuz I'm almost 60. 528 00:22:44,876 --> 00:22:46,667 - Have you been in San Francisco for long? 529 00:22:46,959 --> 00:22:51,167 - Yes, I've been in San Francisco since World War II. 530 00:22:51,459 --> 00:22:54,542 - Did anything in particular draw you out here to this city? 531 00:22:54,834 --> 00:22:57,334 - Well, San Francisco's always been an open city 532 00:22:57,626 --> 00:23:01,834 that everyone came to, it's the last frontier. 533 00:23:02,126 --> 00:23:03,292 And when I came out here with the army, 534 00:23:03,584 --> 00:23:06,292 I decided this is where I belong. 535 00:23:06,584 --> 00:23:07,917 And I've never regretted that, 536 00:23:08,209 --> 00:23:09,501 it's a good place for a gay person 537 00:23:09,792 --> 00:23:11,917 and it's a good place for everybody. 538 00:23:12,209 --> 00:23:13,084 - What do you think about what's happening 539 00:23:13,376 --> 00:23:14,709 right now behind it? 540 00:23:15,001 --> 00:23:16,042 - I think this is wonderful. 541 00:23:16,334 --> 00:23:19,542 I think this is the kind of show of individualism 542 00:23:19,834 --> 00:23:24,584 and of people power that we saw in other minority movements 543 00:23:26,792 --> 00:23:29,542 back in the fifties and sixties 544 00:23:29,834 --> 00:23:31,667 and its time now for gay people. 545 00:23:31,959 --> 00:23:34,251 - How does this parade compare with previous parades? 546 00:23:34,542 --> 00:23:37,417 - Well, the parades have changed over the years 547 00:23:37,709 --> 00:23:40,709 as gay consciousness has changed. 548 00:23:41,001 --> 00:23:44,376 The parades came about first as an anniversary of 549 00:23:44,667 --> 00:23:46,334 celebration or an anniversary statement 550 00:23:46,626 --> 00:23:49,501 after the Stonewall demonstrations in New York, 551 00:23:49,792 --> 00:23:51,917 in Greenwich Village in 1969. 552 00:23:52,209 --> 00:23:53,876 At that time, the police had been harassing 553 00:23:54,167 --> 00:23:56,417 various bars as they always 554 00:23:56,709 --> 00:23:58,459 have harassed gay bars over the years. 555 00:23:58,751 --> 00:24:02,834 And suddenly there was a fighting back that occurred 556 00:24:04,667 --> 00:24:05,792 by a group of people who were 557 00:24:06,084 --> 00:24:08,584 at the bar in Greenwich Village. 558 00:24:09,792 --> 00:24:12,292 The people who fought back were not organized, 559 00:24:12,584 --> 00:24:14,834 they were not leaders of the gay community. 560 00:24:15,126 --> 00:24:18,334 They were just bar folks and many of them representing 561 00:24:18,626 --> 00:24:22,584 the poorer elements of New York's gay life, 562 00:24:22,876 --> 00:24:25,834 drag queens and street kids, the bar people. 563 00:24:26,126 --> 00:24:28,001 And because they fought back 564 00:24:28,292 --> 00:24:29,542 and because other people joined them, 565 00:24:29,834 --> 00:24:31,792 a movement was forged. 566 00:24:32,084 --> 00:24:33,626 A movement that said we're not gonna put up with 567 00:24:33,917 --> 00:24:35,751 the kind of bullshit that we've been subjected to 568 00:24:36,042 --> 00:24:37,501 over so many years. 569 00:24:37,792 --> 00:24:42,042 And at that time it became nationally important 570 00:24:42,334 --> 00:24:46,584 to recognize that event by some kind of annual parade. 571 00:24:50,667 --> 00:24:54,542 The first parades were aimed at gay liberation. 572 00:24:54,834 --> 00:24:57,626 They were aimed at the out of the closet 573 00:24:57,917 --> 00:24:59,084 into the street idea. 574 00:24:59,376 --> 00:25:02,042 And many people joined in those 575 00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:06,209 just on a kind of spontaneous personal basis. 576 00:25:06,501 --> 00:25:08,959 Households of people, individuals, couples, 577 00:25:09,251 --> 00:25:11,834 people were involved in coming out. 578 00:25:12,126 --> 00:25:15,876 And so being in the parade was a coming out event 579 00:25:16,167 --> 00:25:17,001 for a lot of people. 580 00:25:17,292 --> 00:25:18,417 There were also organizations, 581 00:25:18,709 --> 00:25:22,917 some of the older gay organizations marched in the parades. 582 00:25:23,209 --> 00:25:23,917 - Other marches? 583 00:25:24,209 --> 00:25:25,084 Yeah. 584 00:25:25,376 --> 00:25:29,751 The first march that I remember ever doing was 585 00:25:30,042 --> 00:25:33,792 Mattachine Society, there were only four women at that. 586 00:25:34,084 --> 00:25:36,001 - Four women, wow. 587 00:25:36,292 --> 00:25:37,209 - And the stipulations for the march 588 00:25:37,501 --> 00:25:39,626 were that we must not appear gay. 589 00:25:39,917 --> 00:25:42,501 We must, the men must wear business suits 590 00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:44,709 and the women must wear dresses and shoes. 591 00:25:45,001 --> 00:25:47,459 - What was the spectator's reaction to that mark? 592 00:25:47,751 --> 00:25:50,459 - It was a mixture of hostility or indifference. 593 00:25:50,751 --> 00:25:52,709 - As the years went on, 594 00:25:53,001 --> 00:25:56,209 they became more celebrations, carnivals. 595 00:25:57,334 --> 00:26:00,584 So by 1972 or three political statements 596 00:26:02,167 --> 00:26:05,459 began to be less evident and there began to be more 597 00:26:05,751 --> 00:26:08,334 of a sense of we're already out, 598 00:26:08,626 --> 00:26:11,126 we're not going to be invisible, 599 00:26:11,417 --> 00:26:12,959 we're not going to be silent 600 00:26:13,251 --> 00:26:15,709 and we're going to celebrate our being out. 601 00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:51,209 - We're downtown just on a Sunday afternoon 602 00:27:51,501 --> 00:27:53,292 and it's just a parade for the children to look at 603 00:27:53,584 --> 00:27:55,001 more than do anything to be quite honest with you. 604 00:27:55,292 --> 00:27:56,542 - May I ask you a really personal question? 605 00:27:56,834 --> 00:27:58,376 If one of your children came to you someday 606 00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:00,501 at the age of 15 or 16 and said, 607 00:28:00,792 --> 00:28:03,917 mom, I'm gay, what would you say to them? 608 00:28:04,209 --> 00:28:05,251 - If you want me to answer you seriously, 609 00:28:05,542 --> 00:28:07,709 that's a very, very difficult question to answer. 610 00:28:08,001 --> 00:28:10,126 It's as difficult as if one of my girls came to me and said, 611 00:28:10,417 --> 00:28:13,126 you know, mom, I'm pregnant when she'd be 15 or 16. 612 00:28:13,417 --> 00:28:16,709 I really don't know what I would say. 613 00:28:17,001 --> 00:28:17,876 - How do you feel about gay people? 614 00:28:18,167 --> 00:28:19,584 - They're people, they're humans, 615 00:28:19,876 --> 00:28:21,209 just like I am. 616 00:28:21,501 --> 00:28:23,126 - Do you know any gay people or are they- 617 00:28:23,417 --> 00:28:24,751 - Yeah, we stayed with the guy last night. 618 00:28:25,042 --> 00:28:27,251 We just got in town two days ago and we just got in. 619 00:28:27,542 --> 00:28:29,834 He offered us a place to stay, 620 00:28:30,126 --> 00:28:31,501 took us out to breakfast. 621 00:28:31,792 --> 00:28:32,542 It was great. 622 00:28:32,834 --> 00:28:34,042 - Was he cool? 623 00:28:34,334 --> 00:28:35,042 - Yeah. 624 00:28:35,334 --> 00:28:36,876 - He didn't try to force himself on us, you know, 625 00:28:37,167 --> 00:28:38,376 that's his thing, beautiful. 626 00:28:38,667 --> 00:28:39,751 I've been in penitentiary. 627 00:28:40,042 --> 00:28:41,376 See, I know what it's about. 628 00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:42,542 Sometimes it's forced on you, 629 00:28:42,834 --> 00:28:44,001 but most of the time it isn't. 630 00:28:44,292 --> 00:28:45,709 You know, people are people. 631 00:28:46,001 --> 00:28:46,751 - Where are you from? 632 00:28:47,042 --> 00:28:48,376 - I'm from Denver, Colorado originally. 633 00:28:48,667 --> 00:28:50,334 - How are things there as far as gay people? 634 00:28:50,626 --> 00:28:51,542 Do you know or- 635 00:28:51,834 --> 00:28:54,251 - Well, they're more hypocritical there. 636 00:28:54,542 --> 00:28:56,209 They get mugged all the time, which isn't right. 637 00:28:56,501 --> 00:28:59,001 - I saw a guy from work that I worked with every day 638 00:28:59,292 --> 00:29:01,459 and I now I know why he tickles me all the time 639 00:29:01,751 --> 00:29:02,501 because he's gay too. 640 00:29:02,792 --> 00:29:04,001 I'm really glad. 641 00:29:24,876 --> 00:29:26,584 - You've never been to bed with a man either of you? 642 00:29:26,876 --> 00:29:27,584 - No. 643 00:29:27,876 --> 00:29:28,584 - Where you been? 644 00:29:28,876 --> 00:29:29,584 - Have you been living in the city all this time? 645 00:29:29,876 --> 00:29:30,584 - Mm-hmm. 646 00:29:30,876 --> 00:29:31,751 - Don't you ever get approached by men? 647 00:29:32,042 --> 00:29:34,167 - Sure, sure, I've been approached by men. 648 00:29:34,459 --> 00:29:35,792 - What do you tell 'em? 649 00:29:36,084 --> 00:29:37,917 - Well, you know, I ain't ready for it yet. 650 00:29:38,209 --> 00:29:39,959 - 27 years and you're not ready yet? 651 00:29:40,251 --> 00:29:41,459 - No, I'm not ready for it yet, 652 00:29:41,751 --> 00:29:44,459 but I ain't got nothing against it. 653 00:30:15,709 --> 00:30:17,417 - It's gotten rid of that hassle, you know. 654 00:30:17,709 --> 00:30:18,417 - What hassle? 655 00:30:18,709 --> 00:30:20,126 - Of hiding it from your parents, from your family, 656 00:30:20,417 --> 00:30:22,709 from your friends, this sort of thing. 657 00:30:23,001 --> 00:30:26,792 I think we should all begin by okay I'm gay, so what? 658 00:30:27,084 --> 00:30:27,792 You know? 659 00:30:28,084 --> 00:30:29,209 - And have you been able to do that for your life? 660 00:30:29,501 --> 00:30:30,876 - Yeah, for the most part. 661 00:30:31,167 --> 00:30:33,834 I mean, I slip once in a while, but then we all do. 662 00:31:05,834 --> 00:31:06,667 We are your children! 663 00:31:06,959 --> 00:31:07,917 We are your children! 664 00:31:08,209 --> 00:31:09,626 We are your children! 665 00:31:09,917 --> 00:31:11,501 We are your children! 666 00:31:11,792 --> 00:31:13,334 We are your children! 667 00:31:13,626 --> 00:31:15,126 We are your children! 668 00:31:18,709 --> 00:31:21,667 - It makes me angry to see gay people not coming together 669 00:31:21,959 --> 00:31:23,834 and hiding, fighting amongst themselves 670 00:31:24,126 --> 00:31:25,126 whenever they're in an organized group. 671 00:31:25,417 --> 00:31:26,334 - Do you think that's happening today? 672 00:31:26,626 --> 00:31:28,542 - Well no, I think what's been happening recently 673 00:31:28,834 --> 00:31:30,667 is probably gonna cause a lot of solidarity 674 00:31:30,959 --> 00:31:33,876 with the gay people and it's going to help a lot of straight 675 00:31:34,167 --> 00:31:35,542 people to realize that we're not all in the closet 676 00:31:35,834 --> 00:31:37,001 and that we are here, 677 00:31:37,292 --> 00:31:38,542 we're a viable part of the community 678 00:31:38,834 --> 00:31:39,917 and we're in all aspects of the community. 679 00:31:40,209 --> 00:31:41,501 We can't just sit back and expect other people 680 00:31:41,792 --> 00:31:42,626 to accept us. 681 00:31:42,917 --> 00:31:43,917 We've gotta let it be known that we're here 682 00:31:44,209 --> 00:31:46,417 and we're not gonna change. 683 00:31:46,709 --> 00:31:48,709 - How long have you been out? 684 00:31:49,001 --> 00:31:50,001 - A couple of years now, 685 00:31:50,292 --> 00:31:54,251 at age 33 I finally ran into an old friend of mine 686 00:31:55,459 --> 00:31:57,834 and spent some time with her and couldn't understand 687 00:31:58,126 --> 00:31:59,709 what these strange new feelings were. 688 00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:01,459 And I suddenly said, oh my God, 689 00:32:01,751 --> 00:32:04,584 I think I'm sexually attracted to this woman. 690 00:32:04,876 --> 00:32:06,917 And I said, how do I feel about that? 691 00:32:07,209 --> 00:32:07,917 I thought about it for a while. 692 00:32:08,209 --> 00:32:09,834 I said, I think I feel terrific about that. 693 00:32:10,126 --> 00:32:12,209 I think I'll give it a try and I was scared to death. 694 00:32:12,501 --> 00:32:14,501 But being the kind of lady she was, 695 00:32:14,792 --> 00:32:17,167 it was a marvelous experience for me 696 00:32:17,459 --> 00:32:19,709 and it opened up a whole new, a whole new life, 697 00:32:20,001 --> 00:32:21,501 actually it opened up life to me 698 00:32:21,792 --> 00:32:24,876 because I had no idea that this existed 699 00:32:25,167 --> 00:32:27,126 in one's life experience. 700 00:32:27,417 --> 00:32:28,209 I meant the loving, the caring. 701 00:32:28,501 --> 00:32:30,209 I got in touch with my, 702 00:32:31,334 --> 00:32:36,167 for the first time in my life I got in touch with a band. 703 00:32:36,459 --> 00:32:39,042 I got in touch with my femininity 704 00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:42,751 that I really was not aware that I had. 705 00:32:43,042 --> 00:32:45,501 I'd been pretty much androgynous most of my life. 706 00:32:45,792 --> 00:32:46,917 I've been married for four years. 707 00:32:47,209 --> 00:32:48,959 I had an affair for four years. 708 00:32:49,251 --> 00:32:50,542 But it- 709 00:32:50,834 --> 00:32:52,376 - Had you any relationships with women 710 00:32:52,667 --> 00:32:53,667 before you were married? 711 00:32:53,959 --> 00:32:54,959 - I had none whatsoever. 712 00:32:55,251 --> 00:32:56,209 I'd never entertained the idea 713 00:32:56,501 --> 00:32:58,251 of having relationships with women. 714 00:32:58,542 --> 00:33:02,542 I thought it was terrific for other people, 715 00:33:02,834 --> 00:33:05,876 but I never thought it applied to me. 716 00:33:06,167 --> 00:33:08,501 And when I ran into this old friend from eight years ago, 717 00:33:08,792 --> 00:33:09,334 when this happened, I said, my god, 718 00:33:09,626 --> 00:33:10,876 you know, I'd been missing what happens. 719 00:33:11,167 --> 00:33:13,917 But I think being from the south in a small community, 720 00:33:14,209 --> 00:33:16,126 I didn't even know what homosexuality was. 721 00:33:16,417 --> 00:33:19,042 So I had absolutely no validation for any feelings 722 00:33:19,334 --> 00:33:20,917 that I might have had coming up, 723 00:33:21,209 --> 00:33:24,126 like crushes on the gym teacher and that kind of thing. 724 00:33:24,417 --> 00:33:25,376 I had no idea that- 725 00:33:25,667 --> 00:33:27,709 - Does your family know you're gay? 726 00:33:28,001 --> 00:33:28,917 - No, I say no. 727 00:33:29,209 --> 00:33:31,292 I've never talked to them about it. 728 00:33:31,584 --> 00:33:33,042 They think I'm strange and different, 729 00:33:33,334 --> 00:33:35,626 but I don't think they put homosexual 730 00:33:35,917 --> 00:33:39,167 or lesbian or gay person on me yet. 731 00:33:39,459 --> 00:33:40,501 - Like this parade was like a reaction. 732 00:33:40,792 --> 00:33:43,751 But this parade is bigger than any one reaction. 733 00:33:44,042 --> 00:33:46,001 So many people are saying thank heavens Florida happened 734 00:33:46,292 --> 00:33:47,334 so that we could get together. 735 00:33:47,626 --> 00:33:48,584 This parade's bigger than that. 736 00:33:48,876 --> 00:33:50,709 You know, I think the sum is really bigger 737 00:33:51,001 --> 00:33:52,126 than all of its parts. 738 00:33:52,417 --> 00:33:53,959 And that's something no one could have predicted. 739 00:33:54,251 --> 00:33:55,917 The feeling that I'm feeling today, 740 00:33:56,209 --> 00:33:58,084 it's just like really incredibly powerful 741 00:33:58,376 --> 00:33:59,917 and that's something new for me. 742 00:34:00,209 --> 00:34:01,959 I didn't feel this way in the peace marches 743 00:34:02,251 --> 00:34:04,834 and maybe because they weren't openly gay. 744 00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:07,709 - Because I wanted to see for myself 745 00:34:08,001 --> 00:34:11,001 the city of San Francisco show our nation 746 00:34:11,292 --> 00:34:13,876 and the world that we're not quite as ignorant 747 00:34:14,167 --> 00:34:17,126 and bigoted as they are in other parts. 748 00:34:17,417 --> 00:34:20,209 We both agreed that we have never seen such a large crowd 749 00:34:20,501 --> 00:34:22,751 and that felt such good vibes. 750 00:34:25,251 --> 00:34:26,584 - Oh, I think I just like it. 751 00:34:26,876 --> 00:34:27,584 I enjoy it. 752 00:34:27,876 --> 00:34:28,667 And I think, you know, the gays, 753 00:34:28,959 --> 00:34:31,209 you have given a freedom for them for their own. 754 00:34:31,501 --> 00:34:32,209 - Where are you from? 755 00:34:32,501 --> 00:34:33,209 - Philippines. 756 00:34:33,501 --> 00:34:34,209 - From the Philippines? 757 00:34:34,501 --> 00:34:35,209 - Yeah, but I think I'm for them. 758 00:34:35,501 --> 00:34:36,209 - Yeah. 759 00:34:36,501 --> 00:34:37,209 - Yeah. 760 00:34:37,501 --> 00:34:38,209 - Thank you. 761 00:34:38,501 --> 00:34:39,209 Yeah. 762 00:34:39,501 --> 00:34:40,292 The gay man, 50 years old, 763 00:34:40,584 --> 00:34:42,709 spent 30 days in jail one time for no other reason 764 00:34:43,001 --> 00:34:46,417 than I was gay to see this day I wanna cry. 765 00:34:48,251 --> 00:34:49,126 It's beautiful. 766 00:34:49,417 --> 00:34:52,251 It's fantastic to see our kids free. 767 00:34:52,542 --> 00:34:53,251 It's beautiful. 768 00:34:53,542 --> 00:34:54,251 - Okay. 769 00:34:54,542 --> 00:34:55,251 - Thank God they're out. 770 00:34:55,542 --> 00:34:56,792 They won't need shrinks. 771 00:37:19,334 --> 00:37:21,376 - A separation of church and state is not a new idea, 772 00:37:21,667 --> 00:37:24,001 but a lot of people would like to forget it. 773 00:37:24,292 --> 00:37:26,459 Big churches, maybe not the members, 774 00:37:26,751 --> 00:37:29,001 but the churches for sure have always backed 775 00:37:29,292 --> 00:37:33,001 pretty repressive ideas, wars, burning witches, 776 00:37:33,292 --> 00:37:36,542 having the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, 777 00:37:36,834 --> 00:37:40,501 the Bible makes it quite clear that sex of any and all kinds 778 00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:43,626 aside for the specific purpose of procreation 779 00:37:43,917 --> 00:37:46,334 is immoral, decadent and degrading. 780 00:37:46,626 --> 00:37:48,876 And so morally, there is no difference whatsoever 781 00:37:49,167 --> 00:37:52,626 between two guys having sex or two women having sex 782 00:37:52,917 --> 00:37:56,626 and straight sex using any kind of birth control at all. 783 00:37:56,917 --> 00:37:59,626 In short, fun sex is degrading and decadent, 784 00:37:59,917 --> 00:38:02,042 weakening and childish and unproductive. 785 00:38:02,334 --> 00:38:05,042 Well, you could use the Bible to defend any position 786 00:38:05,334 --> 00:38:10,126 if you just take one little portion of it or one excerpt. 787 00:38:10,584 --> 00:38:13,126 The Bible says the wages of sin are death. 788 00:38:13,417 --> 00:38:16,167 A man was not intended to enjoy his senses. 789 00:38:16,459 --> 00:38:19,876 For Christianity again, it's hard to say this, 790 00:38:20,167 --> 00:38:20,959 it probably offends people, 791 00:38:21,251 --> 00:38:24,501 but Christianity very often is against people, 792 00:38:24,792 --> 00:38:26,084 it's against pleasure. 793 00:38:26,376 --> 00:38:27,876 And I don't think that this is necessarily 794 00:38:28,167 --> 00:38:30,501 what the teachers intended. 795 00:38:30,792 --> 00:38:32,417 And even if it was, 796 00:38:32,709 --> 00:38:34,959 not necessarily my teachers. 797 00:38:35,251 --> 00:38:38,667 - God loves homosexuals just like he loves everyone else. 798 00:38:38,959 --> 00:38:43,376 He just wants them to turn to him and stop the sin. 799 00:38:43,667 --> 00:38:45,167 - This country has a constitution, 800 00:38:45,459 --> 00:38:47,126 which is the primary law, 801 00:38:47,417 --> 00:38:49,584 not the Bible, not the Quran, 802 00:38:49,876 --> 00:38:52,292 not somebody's idea of what's good and what's bad. 803 00:38:52,584 --> 00:38:54,334 - I feel like many of these people, 804 00:38:54,626 --> 00:38:56,292 if they had a good preacher, 805 00:38:56,584 --> 00:38:59,042 if they had somebody tell them about Jesus 806 00:38:59,334 --> 00:39:00,834 the way that it would help them, 807 00:39:01,126 --> 00:39:04,667 I feel like it wouldn't be as hard as it is. 808 00:39:04,959 --> 00:39:06,126 - It's right there in the Constitution, 809 00:39:06,417 --> 00:39:07,126 freedom of religion. 810 00:39:07,417 --> 00:39:08,584 And you can't have freedom of religion 811 00:39:08,876 --> 00:39:10,709 if you have religion in the law. 812 00:39:11,001 --> 00:39:12,376 It's just impossible. 813 00:39:12,667 --> 00:39:15,001 It's more or less this time about religion 814 00:39:15,292 --> 00:39:18,376 and how it's being used to hurt people 815 00:39:18,667 --> 00:39:19,876 rather than for what it's really 816 00:39:20,167 --> 00:39:22,126 supposed to be intended about. 817 00:39:22,417 --> 00:39:24,542 At least the teachers that most of us respect, 818 00:39:24,834 --> 00:39:26,042 Christ and all the others. 819 00:39:26,334 --> 00:39:28,792 Keeping religion out of the laws 820 00:39:32,084 --> 00:39:34,251 and I mean the law here is the Constitution. 821 00:39:34,542 --> 00:39:37,084 It's not the Bible or the Quran or anything else. 822 00:39:37,376 --> 00:39:38,709 It's the Constitution. 823 00:39:39,001 --> 00:39:40,542 Well we at least have the right to our own bedroom 824 00:39:40,834 --> 00:39:45,334 and we have the right to not be forced to accept someone 825 00:39:48,792 --> 00:39:52,459 else's religious ideas on our personal lives. 826 00:39:53,876 --> 00:39:56,292 I mean I guess religion gets into things 827 00:39:56,584 --> 00:39:57,709 like murder and stuff like that. 828 00:39:58,001 --> 00:39:59,501 We kind of all agree we don't want that, 829 00:39:59,792 --> 00:40:02,584 but there's certainly differences here. 830 00:40:02,876 --> 00:40:05,751 And religion has no place in Congress 831 00:40:07,542 --> 00:40:11,084 or in city government or anything like that. 832 00:40:12,792 --> 00:40:13,626 - So you're saying you want 833 00:40:13,917 --> 00:40:15,542 a separation of church and state? 834 00:40:15,834 --> 00:40:16,834 - Definitely, definitely. 835 00:40:17,126 --> 00:40:19,001 We've been promised that a long time now, 836 00:40:19,292 --> 00:40:21,542 and I hope we finally get it. 837 00:40:22,584 --> 00:40:25,417 I think maybe what's happening is coming to a head. 838 00:40:25,709 --> 00:40:27,709 For a long time you didn't even have the right 839 00:40:28,001 --> 00:40:29,001 not to have children. 840 00:40:29,292 --> 00:40:30,917 I mean there were laws in a lot of states 841 00:40:31,209 --> 00:40:34,876 about contraception that wasn't even your right, 842 00:40:35,167 --> 00:40:37,626 because of certain powerful churches 843 00:40:37,917 --> 00:40:40,876 that decided that it's evil in their eyes 844 00:40:41,167 --> 00:40:43,251 and that they have to prevent everyone else from doing it. 845 00:40:43,542 --> 00:40:45,251 - But sometimes doesn't preaching 846 00:40:45,542 --> 00:40:46,584 against a certain group of people 847 00:40:46,876 --> 00:40:49,167 incite violence against them? 848 00:40:49,459 --> 00:40:50,834 - Many people are of a violent nature, 849 00:40:51,126 --> 00:40:54,417 as in this instance of killing this one man the other day, 850 00:40:54,709 --> 00:40:56,542 are very, very wrong, 851 00:40:56,834 --> 00:40:59,042 more wrong than the sin of the other person, 852 00:40:59,334 --> 00:41:00,459 whatever that was. 853 00:41:00,751 --> 00:41:02,667 - A week ago I was walking down down the street 854 00:41:02,959 --> 00:41:06,001 and these three Black kids passed me 855 00:41:06,292 --> 00:41:08,459 and one of them bumped me in the arm 856 00:41:08,751 --> 00:41:10,251 and called me a faggot, you know? 857 00:41:10,542 --> 00:41:13,417 And with that sort of hostility running rampant- 858 00:41:13,709 --> 00:41:17,042 - What was your reaction to that incident? 859 00:41:17,334 --> 00:41:18,834 - I was really upset about it. 860 00:41:19,126 --> 00:41:21,751 I felt hurt, but I was also angry. 861 00:41:22,876 --> 00:41:26,084 - Last week I got on the bus one day with a friend of mine 862 00:41:26,376 --> 00:41:29,709 and I went to sit down and there were about 863 00:41:30,001 --> 00:41:32,792 four Black teenage youth in the back of the bus. 864 00:41:33,084 --> 00:41:37,709 And they started yelling faggot and harassing us. 865 00:41:38,001 --> 00:41:42,126 And I just kind of froze because I was really torn 866 00:41:42,417 --> 00:41:44,126 between fear and anger. 867 00:41:45,542 --> 00:41:48,459 I experienced it right at Market and Castro Street, 868 00:41:48,751 --> 00:41:53,001 which is supposed to be the center of the gay community 869 00:41:53,292 --> 00:41:56,251 in a sense and if it can happen there, 870 00:41:57,667 --> 00:42:02,167 it certainly will happen anywhere else in the city. 871 00:42:02,459 --> 00:42:06,126 And days like this we feel very united and we feel safe 872 00:42:06,417 --> 00:42:10,292 and secure and yet I feel that there is a threat. 873 00:42:13,834 --> 00:42:17,209 - I understood you to say at some time earlier 874 00:42:17,501 --> 00:42:19,084 that you were married. 875 00:42:19,376 --> 00:42:20,834 Is that correct? 876 00:42:21,126 --> 00:42:22,542 - Yes, I was married for five years. 877 00:42:22,834 --> 00:42:25,792 I have two daughters and they live in- 878 00:42:28,667 --> 00:42:31,792 They know that I'm gay and they're very accepting 879 00:42:32,084 --> 00:42:35,959 of that situation and I hope that they remain so. 880 00:42:48,751 --> 00:42:50,292 - I am on the Jean Julian Defense Committee 881 00:42:50,584 --> 00:42:53,584 and we're trying to familiarize people with the case 882 00:42:53,876 --> 00:42:54,917 and we've been selling food 883 00:42:55,209 --> 00:42:57,501 to raise money for her legal fees. 884 00:42:57,792 --> 00:43:00,334 - Tell us a little bit about Jean Julian's case. 885 00:43:00,626 --> 00:43:03,042 - Jean Julian defense is a lesbian mother from Oakland 886 00:43:03,334 --> 00:43:05,376 and her husband has recently taken her children away. 887 00:43:05,667 --> 00:43:09,792 She's had a trial and an appeal has gone in already. 888 00:43:12,334 --> 00:43:14,292 And the judge has dismissed both summarily 889 00:43:14,584 --> 00:43:18,209 without reading it and has put gag orders on the whole case. 890 00:43:18,501 --> 00:43:20,251 So the appeal's now going to the Supreme Court 891 00:43:20,542 --> 00:43:24,126 and we're trying to help her raise $12,000 for a defense. 892 00:43:24,417 --> 00:43:25,501 - How much money have you raised today? 893 00:43:25,792 --> 00:43:26,542 Do you know? 894 00:43:26,834 --> 00:43:27,709 - Over a thousand. 895 00:43:28,001 --> 00:43:29,876 - We're representing all the women that can't afford 896 00:43:30,167 --> 00:43:32,584 to be here because we feel that there are millions 897 00:43:32,876 --> 00:43:35,334 of lesbian women that are really locked at home 898 00:43:35,626 --> 00:43:39,501 in dependent relationships with men because they depend 899 00:43:39,792 --> 00:43:41,251 on them for money and so they can't come out 900 00:43:41,542 --> 00:43:43,792 to a parade like this. 901 00:43:44,084 --> 00:43:44,792 Things like that. 902 00:43:45,084 --> 00:43:46,584 - You think that there are a lot of lesbian mothers 903 00:43:46,876 --> 00:43:48,542 who are afraid to come out because their children 904 00:43:48,834 --> 00:43:49,792 will be taken away from them? 905 00:43:50,084 --> 00:43:50,876 - Oh, absolutely. 906 00:43:51,167 --> 00:43:53,292 I mean, I think the whole Save Our Children campaign 907 00:43:53,584 --> 00:43:56,084 has been a real attack on lesbian women 908 00:43:56,376 --> 00:43:57,792 and on lesbian mothers, you know, 909 00:43:58,084 --> 00:43:59,834 real attempt to push us back into the home 910 00:44:00,126 --> 00:44:02,459 and force us to choose between being lesbian 911 00:44:02,751 --> 00:44:04,334 and having children at all. 912 00:44:04,626 --> 00:44:05,709 - How do you feel about the word dyke? 913 00:44:06,001 --> 00:44:07,126 - Dyke, I don't like it. 914 00:44:07,417 --> 00:44:09,376 Walking down the street I heard some women even say, 915 00:44:09,667 --> 00:44:11,542 hey yeah right on, beautiful dykes. 916 00:44:11,834 --> 00:44:12,542 I don't like the word. 917 00:44:12,834 --> 00:44:14,542 I won't respond to it. 918 00:44:14,834 --> 00:44:15,626 I'm a woman. 919 00:44:15,917 --> 00:44:16,834 - What do you think about the word dyke? 920 00:44:17,126 --> 00:44:18,584 - Dyke, I like dyke. 921 00:44:20,251 --> 00:44:21,876 I'm a dyke. 922 00:44:22,167 --> 00:44:26,376 - Do you think people use that word negatively? 923 00:44:26,667 --> 00:44:27,376 - I don't. 924 00:44:27,667 --> 00:44:28,376 - Do you? 925 00:44:28,667 --> 00:44:30,542 - No, I don't, I like it. 926 00:44:32,667 --> 00:44:33,376 - Having a good time? 927 00:44:33,667 --> 00:44:34,376 - Oh yeah. 928 00:44:34,667 --> 00:44:35,376 - Good parade? 929 00:44:35,667 --> 00:44:36,376 - Yes, very good. 930 00:44:36,667 --> 00:44:37,376 - Good parade? 931 00:44:37,667 --> 00:44:38,376 - Yeah, real good parade. 932 00:44:38,667 --> 00:44:39,376 - Very high. 933 00:44:39,667 --> 00:44:40,376 - Very high. 934 00:44:40,667 --> 00:44:41,376 - Very high too. 935 00:44:41,667 --> 00:44:42,376 Are you gay? 936 00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:43,501 - No, but I'm all for their rights. 937 00:44:43,792 --> 00:44:44,751 - Straight for the rights. 938 00:44:45,042 --> 00:44:45,751 - Alright. 939 00:44:46,042 --> 00:44:46,834 You having a good time? 940 00:44:47,126 --> 00:44:47,876 Good time. 941 00:44:48,167 --> 00:44:49,542 - Got another beer. 942 00:44:51,167 --> 00:44:52,584 - Nothing like it. 943 00:44:52,876 --> 00:44:53,626 - You from San Francisco? 944 00:44:53,917 --> 00:44:54,626 - Oh, yes sir. 945 00:44:54,917 --> 00:44:55,626 - Are you gay? 946 00:44:55,917 --> 00:44:56,626 - Sure. 947 00:44:56,917 --> 00:44:57,626 - Having a good time? 948 00:44:57,917 --> 00:44:58,626 - Yes sir. 949 00:44:58,917 --> 00:44:59,626 - How long have you lived out here? 950 00:44:59,917 --> 00:45:00,626 - Oh, 50 years. 951 00:45:00,917 --> 00:45:01,626 - Things changed a lot in that time? 952 00:45:01,917 --> 00:45:02,626 - Oh boy and how. 953 00:45:02,917 --> 00:45:03,917 - For the better? 954 00:45:04,209 --> 00:45:05,126 - For the better, for the better. 955 00:45:05,417 --> 00:45:07,542 - What do you think of the parade today? 956 00:45:07,834 --> 00:45:08,542 - It's wild. 957 00:45:08,834 --> 00:45:10,042 Nowhere else in San Francisco could I say that 958 00:45:10,334 --> 00:45:12,417 this could take place, it's just fantastic. 959 00:45:12,709 --> 00:45:15,626 - I'm glad everyone here and I wish, you know, 960 00:45:15,917 --> 00:45:17,542 a lot more people could come 961 00:45:17,834 --> 00:45:21,001 and just see a great feeling that is going around. 962 00:45:21,292 --> 00:45:22,459 - How did the two of you get together? 963 00:45:22,751 --> 00:45:23,792 Well, first time was at the Castro Theater, 964 00:45:24,084 --> 00:45:26,501 we were watching a movie and we saw each other 965 00:45:26,792 --> 00:45:27,501 and just, you know, 966 00:45:27,792 --> 00:45:30,084 then the second time we just started sitting together 967 00:45:30,376 --> 00:45:32,459 and so it just worked out. 968 00:45:32,751 --> 00:45:33,584 - If I love someone, 969 00:45:33,876 --> 00:45:35,501 I don't want to say I love you, 970 00:45:35,792 --> 00:45:37,334 but I cannot touch you because 971 00:45:37,626 --> 00:45:40,084 feeling is also very important. 972 00:45:40,376 --> 00:45:41,751 We are very sensitive, all of us. 973 00:45:42,042 --> 00:45:43,751 - What brought you out here? 974 00:45:44,042 --> 00:45:47,792 - Friction between family life in Kansas 975 00:45:48,084 --> 00:45:50,501 and just more relaxed out here. 976 00:45:52,667 --> 00:45:56,334 - Did you find problems with being gay there? 977 00:45:58,084 --> 00:45:59,792 - You can't, you can't show any feelings at all. 978 00:46:00,084 --> 00:46:02,501 Or they just sort of, you know, crucify you. 979 00:46:02,792 --> 00:46:06,084 They just don't like that out there. 980 00:46:06,376 --> 00:46:07,876 - I believe that people should be able 981 00:46:08,167 --> 00:46:10,459 to relate to people and communicate with people 982 00:46:10,751 --> 00:46:13,459 and not draw lines because what you happen to be 983 00:46:13,751 --> 00:46:16,501 male or female and because we are here 984 00:46:16,792 --> 00:46:20,417 for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness 985 00:46:20,709 --> 00:46:21,751 and that's what I want. 986 00:46:22,042 --> 00:46:24,417 - Do you think you're gonna stay around in San Francisco? 987 00:46:24,709 --> 00:46:26,876 - Hopefully for quite awhile. 988 00:48:45,251 --> 00:48:46,084 - Now there's your story. 989 00:48:46,376 --> 00:48:48,209 Okay somebody fell in love with me when I was 18. 990 00:48:48,501 --> 00:48:50,626 A woman did, but I didn't actually come out 991 00:48:50,917 --> 00:48:52,917 until I was 21, almost 22. 992 00:48:53,209 --> 00:48:55,417 - Well, I guess because I became intensely interested, 993 00:48:55,709 --> 00:48:59,376 I was very curious about having sex with women. 994 00:49:00,751 --> 00:49:01,792 - And that yet back east, 995 00:49:02,084 --> 00:49:04,792 especially women are into the male female dichotomy 996 00:49:05,084 --> 00:49:08,459 and so that was even harder because I knew what I wanted, 997 00:49:08,751 --> 00:49:09,959 but it was mostly in west coast terms, 998 00:49:10,251 --> 00:49:12,209 but I was still stuck on the east coast at that time. 999 00:49:12,501 --> 00:49:13,626 - At first I was really curious and excited 1000 00:49:13,917 --> 00:49:14,876 and then I got very freaked out 1001 00:49:15,167 --> 00:49:16,751 and I was living in Los Angeles at the time 1002 00:49:17,042 --> 00:49:18,292 and I didn't know anybody at all. 1003 00:49:18,584 --> 00:49:19,542 I mean I didn't know anybody that was gay. 1004 00:49:19,834 --> 00:49:22,334 And so I was very freaked out about me being gay. 1005 00:49:22,626 --> 00:49:24,251 Like I just could not see a future in it at all. 1006 00:49:24,542 --> 00:49:26,334 - I came out to that woman and that blew sky high 1007 00:49:26,626 --> 00:49:27,959 and so I had to find my own reasons 1008 00:49:28,251 --> 00:49:29,626 for being here in California 1009 00:49:29,917 --> 00:49:31,042 just means a lot to me as a person. 1010 00:49:31,334 --> 00:49:32,376 - Then, I don't know, 1011 00:49:32,667 --> 00:49:35,417 I was also very curious as well as being very sympathetic. 1012 00:49:35,709 --> 00:49:36,834 So one time I asked her, 1013 00:49:37,126 --> 00:49:40,084 Ann, well tell me what's it like to make love with a woman? 1014 00:49:40,376 --> 00:49:42,667 And she said, well, you know, I can't, 1015 00:49:42,959 --> 00:49:44,167 I can't tell you what that's like. 1016 00:49:44,459 --> 00:49:45,709 You can only find that out. 1017 00:49:46,001 --> 00:49:47,084 I went, ah. 1018 00:49:47,376 --> 00:49:48,334 - This is three lovers later. 1019 00:49:48,626 --> 00:49:51,876 And no, my lover due to economic whatever 1020 00:49:52,167 --> 00:49:54,459 is working in Bakersfield for this summer. 1021 00:49:54,751 --> 00:49:57,376 - Couple of weeks later this friend of mine 1022 00:49:57,667 --> 00:50:00,001 and her lover asked me if I wanted to sleep with them. 1023 00:50:00,292 --> 00:50:03,084 And I was married at the time to a man. 1024 00:50:03,376 --> 00:50:05,042 - Really difficult because they're into roles. 1025 00:50:05,334 --> 00:50:08,167 And that was some of my hangup is that I'm not into roles 1026 00:50:08,459 --> 00:50:09,834 and being gay for me is a whole 1027 00:50:10,126 --> 00:50:11,667 political power type situation. 1028 00:50:11,959 --> 00:50:13,667 - I don't really know how to talk about what it's like, 1029 00:50:13,959 --> 00:50:16,001 I guess it's like to love. 1030 00:50:16,292 --> 00:50:18,626 I mean the woman that I'm involved with right now, 1031 00:50:18,917 --> 00:50:22,376 I guess, I don't know why I love her, but I do. 1032 00:52:29,126 --> 00:52:32,709 - I came because I'm proud of being gay 1033 00:52:33,001 --> 00:52:34,501 and I wanted to let people know that. 1034 00:52:34,792 --> 00:52:36,209 And I thought the more of us, 1035 00:52:36,501 --> 00:52:38,042 I mean I knew also it was gonna be an incredible high. 1036 00:52:38,334 --> 00:52:40,417 I mean there's no way that you can see this many gay people 1037 00:52:40,709 --> 00:52:43,251 together ever any other time of the year. 1038 00:52:43,542 --> 00:52:45,542 And it's such a freeing thing. 1039 00:52:45,834 --> 00:52:47,917 Cuz you know, usually you walk around, 1040 00:52:48,209 --> 00:52:49,251 you can be gay, but you know, 1041 00:52:49,542 --> 00:52:50,584 most people don't know you are. 1042 00:52:50,876 --> 00:52:51,792 And if they know you are, 1043 00:52:52,084 --> 00:52:53,209 you assume that they hate you for it. 1044 00:52:53,501 --> 00:52:55,667 And here you can walk around and people love you for it. 1045 00:52:55,959 --> 00:52:56,667 You know? 1046 00:52:56,959 --> 00:52:57,751 And you can love them for it. 1047 00:52:58,042 --> 00:52:59,917 Well the straight people here are for gay rights 1048 00:53:00,209 --> 00:53:01,751 and a lot of 'em are our friends in some ways, 1049 00:53:02,042 --> 00:53:04,834 I mean, like, they're not afraid in some ways. 1050 00:53:05,126 --> 00:53:06,751 Of course they don't have to be as afraid as gay people 1051 00:53:07,042 --> 00:53:07,876 do cuz they aren't gonna get it. 1052 00:53:08,167 --> 00:53:09,542 I'm digging the fact that this is the first time 1053 00:53:09,834 --> 00:53:11,084 I've ever been with this many men 1054 00:53:11,376 --> 00:53:13,501 and I have not been afraid and I have not been hassled. 1055 00:53:13,792 --> 00:53:15,917 And to be able to be out in the streets with this many 1056 00:53:16,209 --> 00:53:19,834 people and not be afraid of them physically or mentally, 1057 00:53:20,126 --> 00:53:21,459 you know, is just, 1058 00:53:21,751 --> 00:53:23,292 it's never happened to me before in my life, 1059 00:53:23,584 --> 00:53:25,001 except maybe at the lesbian conference, 1060 00:53:25,292 --> 00:53:26,417 but that was with women, right? 1061 00:53:26,709 --> 00:53:27,876 And this is like being in the real world, 1062 00:53:28,167 --> 00:53:30,334 the whole real world and not having to be separate 1063 00:53:30,626 --> 00:53:33,542 and being able to be yourself. 1064 00:53:33,834 --> 00:53:35,126 You can't beat it. 1065 00:53:39,667 --> 00:53:41,501 - For the straight folks who don't mind gays, 1066 00:53:41,792 --> 00:53:44,001 but wish they weren't so blatant. 1067 00:53:44,292 --> 00:53:45,959 You know, some people got a lot of nerve. 1068 00:53:46,251 --> 00:53:49,626 Sometimes I don't believe the things I see and hear. 1069 00:53:49,917 --> 00:53:52,459 Have you met the woman who's shocked by two women kissing 1070 00:53:52,751 --> 00:53:56,459 and in the same breath tells you that she's pregnant, 1071 00:53:56,751 --> 00:53:58,751 but gays shouldn't be blatant. 1072 00:53:59,042 --> 00:54:00,667 Or the straight couples sits next to you in a movie 1073 00:54:00,959 --> 00:54:03,251 and you can't hear the dialogue cuz of the sound effects, 1074 00:54:03,542 --> 00:54:05,834 but gays shouldn't be blatant. 1075 00:54:06,126 --> 00:54:08,084 And the woman in your office spends her whole lunch hour 1076 00:54:08,376 --> 00:54:10,376 talking about her new bikini drawers 1077 00:54:10,667 --> 00:54:12,084 and how much her husband likes them, 1078 00:54:12,376 --> 00:54:14,292 but gays shouldn't be blatant. 1079 00:54:14,584 --> 00:54:16,959 Or the hip chick in your class rattling a mile a minute 1080 00:54:17,251 --> 00:54:18,876 while you are trying to get stoned in the John 1081 00:54:19,167 --> 00:54:22,126 about the camping trip she took with her musician boyfriend, 1082 00:54:22,417 --> 00:54:24,209 but gays shouldn't be blatant. 1083 00:54:24,501 --> 00:54:26,251 You go in a public bathroom and all over the walls, 1084 00:54:26,542 --> 00:54:29,459 there's John loves Mary, Janice did Richard, 1085 00:54:29,751 --> 00:54:31,626 Pepe loves Delores, et cetera, 1086 00:54:31,917 --> 00:54:33,709 but gays shouldn't be blatant. 1087 00:54:34,001 --> 00:54:36,334 Or you go to an amusement park and there's a Tunnel of Love 1088 00:54:36,626 --> 00:54:38,417 and pictures of straights painted on the front 1089 00:54:38,709 --> 00:54:40,542 and grinning couples coming in and out, 1090 00:54:40,834 --> 00:54:42,584 but gays shouldn't be blatant. 1091 00:54:42,876 --> 00:54:45,876 The fact is, blatant heterosexuals are all over the place. 1092 00:54:46,167 --> 00:54:48,959 Supermarkets, movies, at work, in church, 1093 00:54:49,251 --> 00:54:51,709 in books, on television, every day and night. 1094 00:54:52,001 --> 00:54:54,042 Every place, even in gay bars. 1095 00:54:54,334 --> 00:54:57,501 And they want gay men and women to go hide in the closets. 1096 00:54:57,792 --> 00:54:59,834 So to you straight folks I say, 1097 00:55:00,126 --> 00:55:02,917 sure, I'll go if you go too, 1098 00:55:03,209 --> 00:55:05,126 but I'm polite, so after you. 1099 00:55:05,417 --> 00:55:07,501 - Well, right now I'm employed as a nursery school teacher 1100 00:55:07,792 --> 00:55:11,209 for the Cross Cultural Family Center here in San Francisco. 1101 00:55:11,501 --> 00:55:13,501 And I work with two, three, and four year old children 1102 00:55:13,792 --> 00:55:15,251 as a teacher. 1103 00:55:15,542 --> 00:55:18,001 - And they have for as long as I've been out 1104 00:55:18,292 --> 00:55:22,292 and maybe for as long as I'm aware of being gay. 1105 00:55:22,584 --> 00:55:26,209 That was a question with my desired ballet training 1106 00:55:26,501 --> 00:55:27,209 as a kid, 1107 00:55:27,501 --> 00:55:28,542 my mother's best friend said 1108 00:55:28,834 --> 00:55:30,459 that I'd give silly little faggot, 1109 00:55:30,751 --> 00:55:33,209 so I didn't get ballet training. 1110 00:55:34,459 --> 00:55:35,292 I would've wanted to. 1111 00:55:35,584 --> 00:55:36,459 I'm sorry I didn't now, 1112 00:55:36,751 --> 00:55:37,876 it would've been nice preparation. 1113 00:55:38,167 --> 00:55:39,876 - Oh, I just enjoy it so much. 1114 00:55:40,167 --> 00:55:41,667 I just love being with little children 1115 00:55:41,959 --> 00:55:43,917 and I love sharing my love with little children, 1116 00:55:44,209 --> 00:55:47,667 watching them run and jump and grow. 1117 00:55:47,959 --> 00:55:49,917 It's been a sheer joy, just a joy. 1118 00:55:50,209 --> 00:55:53,501 - I'm from San Diego and with the exception of friends 1119 00:55:53,792 --> 00:55:54,917 I've made since I've been here, 1120 00:55:55,209 --> 00:55:58,667 most of my friends here are San Diego gay men. 1121 00:55:58,959 --> 00:56:02,417 And we moved pretty well on for that reason, 1122 00:56:03,751 --> 00:56:05,667 because it wasn't possible there. 1123 00:56:05,959 --> 00:56:09,292 We didn't feel it was possible to be comfortably gay, 1124 00:56:09,584 --> 00:56:13,501 be who we are and be gay and stay there, so we split. 1125 00:56:13,792 --> 00:56:14,626 This is the place to be to do that. 1126 00:56:14,917 --> 00:56:17,584 - Living in San Francisco has been 1127 00:56:18,959 --> 00:56:21,292 a real saving grace for that. 1128 00:56:21,584 --> 00:56:22,501 I found problems with it as a 1129 00:56:22,792 --> 00:56:25,542 junior high school teacher in Rochester, New York. 1130 00:56:25,834 --> 00:56:28,376 That's one of the reasons that led me to come out here. 1131 00:56:28,667 --> 00:56:29,959 I used to teach junior high school. 1132 00:56:30,251 --> 00:56:32,126 For five years I was a junior high school art teacher 1133 00:56:32,417 --> 00:56:33,376 in upstate New York. 1134 00:56:33,667 --> 00:56:34,876 Was in the closet, 1135 00:56:35,167 --> 00:56:36,667 was feeling very dissatisfied with myself. 1136 00:56:36,959 --> 00:56:39,126 And then I came out to visit San Francisco 1137 00:56:39,417 --> 00:56:41,167 and saw everyone loving everyone else 1138 00:56:41,459 --> 00:56:45,167 and saw so much openness and I just knew I had to be here. 1139 00:56:45,459 --> 00:56:47,126 - I guess it's because I'm gay. 1140 00:56:47,417 --> 00:56:48,709 I haven't ever been straight, 1141 00:56:49,001 --> 00:56:50,876 so I don't know how I would relate to this 1142 00:56:51,167 --> 00:56:53,126 if I were straight. 1143 00:56:53,417 --> 00:56:54,501 - Because I have beautiful relationships 1144 00:56:54,792 --> 00:56:55,792 to their parents as well. 1145 00:56:56,084 --> 00:56:57,209 For the first time in my life 1146 00:56:57,501 --> 00:56:59,084 I could live as an open gay person 1147 00:56:59,376 --> 00:57:01,334 and can totally be myself. 1148 00:57:02,542 --> 00:57:03,792 I could be as flashy as I want 1149 00:57:04,084 --> 00:57:06,584 and I could be as conservative as I want. 1150 00:57:06,876 --> 00:57:08,626 - Well, here's the story. 1151 00:57:08,917 --> 00:57:11,584 When I was four years old I used to put blocks in my socks 1152 00:57:11,876 --> 00:57:13,876 because I always wanted to wear high heels. 1153 00:57:14,167 --> 00:57:17,084 And I used to do it very secretively, you know? 1154 00:57:17,376 --> 00:57:19,167 Well, I came to San Francisco 1155 00:57:19,459 --> 00:57:21,876 and I found out that it was really okay 1156 00:57:22,167 --> 00:57:24,501 and I wear my high heels on days like today 1157 00:57:24,792 --> 00:57:27,334 because I've always wanted to wear high heels. 1158 00:57:27,626 --> 00:57:28,834 You know, I think it's really, 1159 00:57:29,126 --> 00:57:30,001 it's okay, you know, 1160 00:57:30,292 --> 00:57:31,584 it's perfectly all right to wear high heels. 1161 00:57:31,876 --> 00:57:34,376 I get a little flack now and again, 1162 00:57:34,667 --> 00:57:36,251 but I can handle it I hope. 1163 00:57:36,542 --> 00:57:38,626 - My feeling is about drag. 1164 00:57:38,917 --> 00:57:40,042 It's degrading to women 1165 00:57:40,334 --> 00:57:41,584 and I don't pretend to understand 1166 00:57:41,876 --> 00:57:43,501 what motivates the men to do that, 1167 00:57:43,792 --> 00:57:45,709 but I know that the whole society mocks women 1168 00:57:46,001 --> 00:57:48,834 at the same time that it pushes them into that role. 1169 00:57:49,126 --> 00:57:51,792 And I think that there are women still all over the country, 1170 00:57:52,084 --> 00:57:54,584 all over the world suffering from trying to be that 1171 00:57:54,876 --> 00:57:56,876 stereotype and being taught continually 1172 00:57:57,167 --> 00:57:58,459 that that's what they're to be. 1173 00:57:58,751 --> 00:58:00,626 And then to see men just getting off on it, 1174 00:58:00,917 --> 00:58:02,667 knowing that they're not stuck with the oppression 1175 00:58:02,959 --> 00:58:04,959 that goes with it, that they're just having a good time. 1176 00:58:05,251 --> 00:58:06,709 They can take off their dress and their makeup 1177 00:58:07,001 --> 00:58:09,459 and just be free of that role. 1178 00:58:09,751 --> 00:58:12,792 It's really, to me, it's a very, very heavy issue. 1179 00:58:13,084 --> 00:58:14,042 - Oh, I love it. 1180 00:58:14,334 --> 00:58:15,417 I made a decision a long time ago 1181 00:58:15,709 --> 00:58:18,001 not to do anything I didn't feel good about. 1182 00:58:18,292 --> 00:58:20,042 To have a good time, to have fun. 1183 00:58:20,334 --> 00:58:22,292 I mean, it's the only thing worth doing. 1184 00:58:22,584 --> 00:58:25,084 - Really I haven't taken any time to deal with drag queens 1185 00:58:25,376 --> 00:58:28,959 or men who are into drag because I find it offensive. 1186 00:58:29,251 --> 00:58:34,042 - Drag is just the tool that you use to express who you are. 1187 00:58:34,917 --> 00:58:36,334 And in terms of clothes, 1188 00:58:36,626 --> 00:58:37,334 some people wear leather, 1189 00:58:37,626 --> 00:58:38,334 some people wear feathers, 1190 00:58:38,626 --> 00:58:39,334 some people wear sequins, 1191 00:58:39,626 --> 00:58:40,959 some people wear Levi's. 1192 00:58:41,251 --> 00:58:42,084 It's all drag. 1193 00:58:42,376 --> 00:58:44,792 It's all a tool to tell other people who you are. 1194 00:58:45,084 --> 00:58:46,334 - I like outrageousness, you know, 1195 00:58:46,626 --> 00:58:48,876 like I like punk rock and I like crazy things, 1196 00:58:49,167 --> 00:58:50,709 I'm a punk rock freak, 1197 00:58:51,001 --> 00:58:54,042 but drag is somewhat offensive to me. 1198 00:58:54,334 --> 00:58:56,792 - And I think that when you are having a good time, 1199 00:58:57,084 --> 00:58:58,751 people relate to that goodness, 1200 00:58:59,042 --> 00:59:01,542 even if it's not their style. 1201 00:59:01,834 --> 00:59:06,042 - When I see men dressed up as Anita Bryant lookalikes 1202 00:59:06,334 --> 00:59:09,334 and which is what they're doing most of the time 1203 00:59:09,626 --> 00:59:12,001 in a very offensive way cuz there's no description 1204 00:59:12,292 --> 00:59:14,084 for womanhood in my mind. 1205 00:59:14,376 --> 00:59:15,251 - It runs from all sorts. 1206 00:59:15,542 --> 00:59:16,834 I mean people love it, people hate it 1207 00:59:17,126 --> 00:59:19,834 the same way that people love or hate you no matter what, 1208 00:59:20,126 --> 00:59:22,251 but it's just, it's a focusing device, you know, 1209 00:59:22,542 --> 00:59:25,084 it's like a magnifying glass that just makes it clear, 1210 00:59:25,376 --> 00:59:27,751 it makes it bigger in your eyes. 1211 00:59:28,042 --> 00:59:30,084 And I still relate to people, hopefully, 1212 00:59:30,376 --> 00:59:32,084 as I would relate to them outside of this dress 1213 00:59:32,376 --> 00:59:35,417 and these feather and these makeup. 1214 00:59:35,709 --> 00:59:36,501 - Are you into it? 1215 00:59:36,792 --> 00:59:37,584 - As into it as a giggle. 1216 00:59:37,876 --> 00:59:38,667 I talked to a guy the other, 1217 00:59:38,959 --> 00:59:40,001 at the thing we went to last Sunday, 1218 00:59:40,292 --> 00:59:41,084 and it's just a giggle. 1219 00:59:41,376 --> 00:59:42,542 - Yeah, because it's fun. 1220 00:59:42,834 --> 00:59:44,876 There's also a political sentiment behind it. 1221 00:59:45,167 --> 00:59:47,542 I mean I feel a victim of sexism 1222 00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:51,876 and I think to understand what I am victimized about, 1223 00:59:52,167 --> 00:59:54,292 I have to understand what sex is all about, 1224 00:59:54,584 --> 00:59:55,667 both as a homosexual, 1225 00:59:55,959 --> 01:00:00,292 as relating to women sex in the terms of the clothes 1226 01:00:00,584 --> 01:00:01,417 that they wear and stuff. 1227 01:00:01,709 --> 01:00:05,626 This helps me feel androgynous or hermaphrodite. 1228 01:00:05,917 --> 01:00:08,667 I mean it makes me feel like a whole person 1229 01:00:08,959 --> 01:00:10,042 instead of just half a person, 1230 01:00:10,334 --> 01:00:12,417 just like I'm part of the whole human race 1231 01:00:12,709 --> 01:00:14,417 rather than just half of it. 1232 01:00:14,709 --> 01:00:17,667 In tyrannical society is an oppressive societies 1233 01:00:17,959 --> 01:00:20,792 and fascist societies people are taught to dress alike. 1234 01:00:21,084 --> 01:00:23,209 People are forced to dress alike, to act alike, 1235 01:00:23,501 --> 01:00:26,834 to perform alike, as opposed to follow their inner needs, 1236 01:00:27,126 --> 01:00:30,167 their inner wants, their own emotion. 1237 01:00:30,459 --> 01:00:32,709 And it's easier to control people when you don't relate 1238 01:00:33,001 --> 01:00:34,626 to them on an individual level. 1239 01:00:34,917 --> 01:00:36,834 All you're relating to them as an image. 1240 01:00:37,126 --> 01:00:40,126 I'm an individual human being and I wanna express that. 1241 01:00:40,417 --> 01:00:41,751 I wanna express the truth inside of me. 1242 01:00:42,042 --> 01:00:43,292 I mean, everybody is different 1243 01:00:43,584 --> 01:00:45,001 and if they express that differentness, 1244 01:00:45,292 --> 01:00:47,876 then people don't automatically fall into line 1245 01:00:48,167 --> 01:00:49,917 and start automatically taking orders 1246 01:00:50,209 --> 01:00:53,834 and automatically not question what superiors, 1247 01:00:55,376 --> 01:00:57,626 quote unquote are telling them to do. 1248 01:00:57,917 --> 01:00:58,959 And when everybody looks alike, 1249 01:00:59,251 --> 01:01:02,876 then you're just assuming that everybody is exactly like you 1250 01:01:03,167 --> 01:01:04,792 so you can take all these liberties with them 1251 01:01:05,084 --> 01:01:07,751 as opposed to seeing that people are into different trips. 1252 01:01:08,042 --> 01:01:09,917 When you look at mass demonstrations 1253 01:01:10,209 --> 01:01:12,167 in totalitarian societies, 1254 01:01:12,459 --> 01:01:14,542 I mean where you see these as many people 1255 01:01:14,834 --> 01:01:15,917 as there are here today, 1256 01:01:16,209 --> 01:01:17,542 you don't get a sense of the individual, 1257 01:01:17,834 --> 01:01:20,209 you don't get a sense that these are real people there. 1258 01:01:20,501 --> 01:01:22,626 You are only, I mean, you see herds of sheep. 1259 01:01:22,917 --> 01:01:26,542 I mean the basis of racism and sexism and ageism 1260 01:01:26,834 --> 01:01:29,126 is seeing people as not individuals, 1261 01:01:29,417 --> 01:01:30,751 but seeing them as part of a group, 1262 01:01:31,042 --> 01:01:33,084 seeing them as stereotyped, 1263 01:01:34,167 --> 01:01:37,834 a faggot or a nigger or a dirty old man. 1264 01:01:38,126 --> 01:01:40,334 You begin not to think of people as individuals. 1265 01:01:40,626 --> 01:01:43,042 People dress alike, people talk alike, 1266 01:01:43,334 --> 01:01:44,584 people raise their hands at the same time. 1267 01:01:44,876 --> 01:01:46,501 When people are just be in themselves, 1268 01:01:46,792 --> 01:01:48,417 you begin to see that there's this whole diversity. 1269 01:01:48,709 --> 01:01:52,001 Seeing all these people today just gives one 1270 01:01:52,292 --> 01:01:54,709 a sense of confidence that that kind of thing 1271 01:01:55,001 --> 01:01:57,751 could never happen again because there's this whole spectrum 1272 01:01:58,042 --> 01:02:00,334 of people around and certainly some of us 1273 01:02:00,626 --> 01:02:02,792 are not gonna let that happen again. 1274 01:02:03,084 --> 01:02:06,376 - I notice a lot of people wearing pink triangles today. 1275 01:02:06,667 --> 01:02:09,417 - The pink triangle has come into use in recent years 1276 01:02:09,709 --> 01:02:14,084 as an identification with the gay individuals who were 1277 01:02:14,376 --> 01:02:17,084 imprisoned in Nazi Germany and who were forced to wear 1278 01:02:17,376 --> 01:02:21,001 a pink triangle signifying their homosexuality. 1279 01:02:21,292 --> 01:02:24,709 The sad fact of gay history during that time 1280 01:02:25,709 --> 01:02:28,501 is that very few people either then or even now 1281 01:02:28,792 --> 01:02:33,001 realize how many or hundreds of thousands of gay individuals 1282 01:02:33,292 --> 01:02:38,001 were rounded up, thrown into concentration camps and killed, 1283 01:02:38,292 --> 01:02:41,251 executed summarily or worked to death. 1284 01:02:43,126 --> 01:02:44,584 The homosexual population in Germany 1285 01:02:44,876 --> 01:02:46,042 was one of the first populations 1286 01:02:46,334 --> 01:02:49,042 that was subjected to genocide. 1287 01:02:49,334 --> 01:02:51,376 In fact, some of the methods of extermination 1288 01:02:51,667 --> 01:02:55,751 that were used later had first been tried out 1289 01:02:56,042 --> 01:02:57,542 on gay individuals. 1290 01:02:57,834 --> 01:03:00,751 Gay people must learn their own history. 1291 01:03:01,042 --> 01:03:02,376 Many people wear the pink triangle 1292 01:03:02,667 --> 01:03:03,917 and probably have little idea 1293 01:03:04,209 --> 01:03:08,001 of how horrible the history of that triangle is. 1294 01:03:55,251 --> 01:03:56,084 Gay rights now. 1295 01:03:56,376 --> 01:03:57,292 Gay rights now. 1296 01:03:57,584 --> 01:03:58,876 Gay rights now. 1297 01:03:59,167 --> 01:04:00,459 Gay rights now. 1298 01:04:00,751 --> 01:04:01,959 Gay rights now. 1299 01:04:02,251 --> 01:04:03,417 Gay rights now. 1300 01:04:03,709 --> 01:04:04,959 Gay rights now. 1301 01:04:05,251 --> 01:04:06,292 Gay rights now. 1302 01:04:15,042 --> 01:04:16,626 - If you could invite one gay person 1303 01:04:16,917 --> 01:04:17,876 from any period of history, 1304 01:04:18,167 --> 01:04:19,709 who would you like to see here today? 1305 01:04:20,001 --> 01:04:22,167 - Well, I wouldn't want say any one person. 1306 01:04:22,459 --> 01:04:25,167 I mean, I can think of a lots and lots of people 1307 01:04:25,459 --> 01:04:27,834 that I wish we were here I wish all. 1308 01:04:28,126 --> 01:04:31,001 - Well I think I would like to see Alexander the Great 1309 01:04:31,292 --> 01:04:33,167 after reading the Persian Boy I think it would be 1310 01:04:33,459 --> 01:04:35,417 a beautiful history lesson to see that man 1311 01:04:35,709 --> 01:04:37,792 strutting down the street with the sunlight 1312 01:04:38,084 --> 01:04:40,001 glinting off of his armor. 1313 01:04:40,292 --> 01:04:42,209 - I wish all the Amazons were here 1314 01:04:42,501 --> 01:04:44,876 that raised so much ruckus. 1315 01:04:45,167 --> 01:04:46,459 - Herman Melville. 1316 01:04:49,084 --> 01:04:50,084 - I'd like to have Jesus Christ. 1317 01:04:50,376 --> 01:04:52,042 I'm pretty convinced he was gay. 1318 01:04:52,334 --> 01:04:53,042 - Wow. 1319 01:04:53,334 --> 01:04:56,959 - I mean any man that has no women and the secret, 1320 01:04:57,251 --> 01:04:59,542 who knows who can say we know he had no women. 1321 01:04:59,834 --> 01:05:00,542 That says that in the Bible. 1322 01:05:00,834 --> 01:05:01,542 That never mentioned no men. 1323 01:05:01,834 --> 01:05:03,959 So I think probably was gay. 1324 01:05:05,126 --> 01:05:05,959 I mean, I can say- 1325 01:05:06,251 --> 01:05:06,959 - Well, I think he'd enjoy the parade. 1326 01:05:07,251 --> 01:05:08,542 - I think he would definitely enjoy the parade. 1327 01:05:08,834 --> 01:05:12,209 He'd say a lot of people dress like him, for sure. 1328 01:05:12,501 --> 01:05:16,292 - I wish Saffo was here and all her friends and- 1329 01:05:17,626 --> 01:05:21,459 - I think James Baldwin, if he's gay. 1330 01:05:23,251 --> 01:05:26,251 - I wish Diana the Huntress was here. 1331 01:05:27,334 --> 01:05:28,376 - Probably Buster Crab, you know, 1332 01:05:28,667 --> 01:05:30,792 nowadays he could still be in his movies. 1333 01:05:31,084 --> 01:05:32,292 Back then they kicked him out 1334 01:05:32,584 --> 01:05:35,417 of his movie contract for being gay. 1335 01:05:35,709 --> 01:05:36,626 - Bessie Smith. 1336 01:05:36,917 --> 01:05:40,209 - Well, I think André Gide would be the man 1337 01:05:41,709 --> 01:05:43,542 I was thinking about today as I was going along 1338 01:05:43,834 --> 01:05:45,209 when I was a student André Gide, 1339 01:05:45,501 --> 01:05:47,001 the great French man of letters, 1340 01:05:47,292 --> 01:05:49,251 was an inspiration and a model 1341 01:05:49,542 --> 01:05:51,251 because he was open about his gayness, 1342 01:05:51,542 --> 01:05:53,084 although it was a struggle for him 1343 01:05:53,376 --> 01:05:55,167 and he would've liked taking to the streets. 1344 01:05:55,459 --> 01:05:58,167 He was a man of the streets as well as a man of letters. 1345 01:05:58,459 --> 01:06:02,334 The spectacle of today with all of the thousands 1346 01:06:02,626 --> 01:06:04,584 and thousands and thousands of people on the streets 1347 01:06:04,876 --> 01:06:08,042 in San Francisco and in other major cities, 1348 01:06:08,334 --> 01:06:11,876 is that it's a statement to everyone in the world 1349 01:06:12,167 --> 01:06:13,542 that there are gay people, 1350 01:06:13,834 --> 01:06:14,959 that there is a gay life, 1351 01:06:15,251 --> 01:06:16,417 that there is a gay community. 1352 01:06:16,709 --> 01:06:21,042 For the young person somewhere feeling very much alone, 1353 01:06:22,167 --> 01:06:25,792 this kind of statement does away with that 1354 01:06:26,084 --> 01:06:29,376 terrible sense of isolation and loneliness. 1355 01:06:29,667 --> 01:06:30,542 We used to have an expression that 1356 01:06:30,834 --> 01:06:32,709 so-and-so was not for street wear, 1357 01:06:33,001 --> 01:06:34,751 meaning you couldn't walk down the street with them 1358 01:06:35,042 --> 01:06:38,376 without being somewhat identified as a gay person. 1359 01:06:38,667 --> 01:06:39,584 And if you were trying to keep a cover, 1360 01:06:39,876 --> 01:06:43,459 if you were trying to maintain a job or live in a community 1361 01:06:43,751 --> 01:06:45,501 where you didn't want people to know you were gay, 1362 01:06:45,792 --> 01:06:47,667 there were certain people you couldn't associate with, 1363 01:06:47,959 --> 01:06:51,542 but those people we always knew were serving us a purpose. 1364 01:06:51,834 --> 01:06:54,584 They gave us a screen behind which we could hide. 1365 01:06:54,876 --> 01:06:57,709 And therefore it's very important in today's gay parade 1366 01:06:58,001 --> 01:07:01,167 that there be individuals who are blatant, who are obvious, 1367 01:07:01,459 --> 01:07:04,417 who are outrageous because they've always been there. 1368 01:07:04,709 --> 01:07:05,834 The drag queens, the hair fairies, 1369 01:07:06,126 --> 01:07:09,376 the people who by their behavior said, 1370 01:07:09,667 --> 01:07:11,917 I'm so gay I can't cover it up. 1371 01:07:12,209 --> 01:07:14,751 And then the rest of us could stand on the sidelines 1372 01:07:15,042 --> 01:07:16,626 and let the rest of the world think 1373 01:07:16,917 --> 01:07:18,667 that that's what a gay person looked like. 1374 01:07:18,959 --> 01:07:21,501 And today we join them and hold hands.